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What is the real answer to Helen Thomas's question, Mr Bush?

Old media battle ax Helen Thomas pointedly asked President Bush what the real reason we went to war in Iraq was. As usual, Bush danced around her question, flat out lying in his response. What do you think the answer is? My own opinion has always been that Saddam was a Socialist, a secular dictator who was a threat to oil companies, and a man who wished to undo the British-drawn borders of the Middle East in an attempt to unite the Arabs, another action that was a threat to the oil bidness. Like other Arab socialists, he nationalized oil company property. The oil industry wanted him gone. Bush got it done by hijacking the 9-11 tragedy, falsely linking Saddanm to Sept 11 so he could whack the guy:



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March 21, 2006 -- 01:39 PM EDT


There's so much water under the bridge at this point. But the president just won't stop lying about the immediate exigencies of his decision to go to war. Here's how he described it this morning in an exchange with Helen Thomas ...

"I also saw a threat in Iraq. I was hoping to solve this problem diplomatically. That's why I went to the Security Council; that's why it was important to pass 1441, which was unanimously passed. And the world said, disarm, disclose, or face serious consequences ... and therefore, we worked with the world, we worked to make sure that Saddam Hussein heard the message of the world. And when he chose to deny inspectors, when he chose not to disclose, then I had the difficult decision to make to remove him. And we did, and the world is safer for it."


Of course, that's not what happened. We were there. We remember. It wasn't a century ago. We got the resolution passed. Saddam called our bluff and allowed the inspectors in. President Bush pressed ahead with the invasion.

His lies are so blatant that I must constantly check myself so as not to assume that he is simply delusional or has blocked out whole chains of events from the past.

For those who are interested, here's the complete exchange ...

THE PRESIDENT: Helen. After that brilliant performance at the Grid Iron, I am -- (laughter.)
HELEN THOMAS: You're going to be sorry. (Laughter.)

THE PRESIDENT: Well, then, let me take it back. (Laughter.)

HELEN THOMAS: I'd like to ask you, Mr. President, your decision to invade Iraq has caused the deaths of thousands of Americans and Iraqis, wounds of Americans and Iraqis for a lifetime. Every reason given, publicly at least, has turned out not to be true. My question is, why did you really want to go to war? From the moment you stepped into the White House, from your Cabinet -- your Cabinet officers, intelligence people, and so forth -- what was your real reason? You have said it wasn't oil -- quest for oil, it hasn't been Israel, or anything else. What was it?

THE PRESIDENT: I think your premise -- in all due respect to your question and to you as a lifelong journalist -- is that -- I didn't want war. To assume I wanted war is just flat wrong, Helen, in all due respect --

HELEN THOMAS: Everything --

THE PRESIDENT: Hold on for a second, please.

HELEN THOMAS: -- everything I've heard --

THE PRESIDENT: Excuse me, excuse me. No President wants war. Everything you may have heard is that, but it's just simply not true. My attitude about the defense of this country changed on September the 11th. We -- when we got attacked, I vowed then and there to use every asset at my disposal to protect the American people. Our foreign policy changed on that day, Helen. You know, we used to think we were secure because of oceans and previous diplomacy. But we realized on September the 11th, 2001, that killers could destroy innocent life. And I'm never going to forget it. And I'm never going to forget the vow I made to the American people that we will do everything in our power to protect our people.

Part of that meant to make sure that we didn't allow people to provide safe haven to an enemy. And that's why I went into Iraq -- hold on for a second --

HELEN THOMAS: They didn't do anything to you, or to our country.

THE PRESIDENT: Look -- excuse me for a second, please. Excuse me for a second. They did. The Taliban provided safe haven for al Qaeda. That's where al Qaeda trained --

HELEN THOMAS: I'm talking about Iraq --

THE PRESIDENT: Helen, excuse me. That's where -- Afghanistan provided safe haven for al Qaeda. That's where they trained. That's where they plotted. That's where they planned the attacks that killed thousands of innocent Americans.

I also saw a threat in Iraq. I was hoping to solve this problem diplomatically. That's why I went to the Security Council; that's why it was important to pass 1441, which was unanimously passed. And the world said, disarm, disclose, or face serious consequences --

HELEN THOMAS: -- go to war --

THE PRESIDENT: -- and therefore, we worked with the world, we worked to make sure that Saddam Hussein heard the message of the world. And when he chose to deny inspectors, when he chose not to disclose, then I had the difficult decision to make to remove him. And we did, and the world is safer for it.

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RE: What is the real answer to Helen Thomas's question, Mr Bush?

That was about the most forcefully I have seen the President refuse to answer a question yet, but he still spoke, actually insisted on speaking for several minutes. I think she could have asked him about the weather and he was set, kind of "locked and loaded" to spew that mouthfull of nonsense. I later saw the Fox News channel guys talking up how well he responded "on his feet" and that he should be doing more of it. Unfortunately they didn't notice his response was so loosely connected to the questions that he might just as well not have been in the room.

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I think Fox News cheering the President on in verbally beating up on some 85 year old women shows where they are both at. The women deserved to be allowed to speak, and he couldn't even do that.

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Helen Thomas may be the only White House correspondent with any guts. NBC's David Gregory went hysterical over the Cheney hunting story, which was worth some attention, but was not nearly as newsworthy as the story out of Iraq on a daily basis. Had he pursued Scott McClellan over Iraq with the same vigor he pursued him over Cheney's hunting thing, I might have a modicum of respect for him. But he, like the vast majority of the national press corps, is just a cypher who watched (and in some cases, cheerled) the Iraq war, and pretty much anything else the Bush administration has done.

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Ann Coulter:“Press passes can’t be that hard to come by if the White House allows that old Arab Helen Thomas to sit within yards of the president.�
Ann Coulter:“that dyspeptic, old Helen Thomas.�

Hell the white house removed her from her front seat all the way to the back for a good reason.

Helen has no standing and should not be taken seriously so I wonder why even giving her the benefit of a post.[xx(]
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We wonder the same about you.

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RE: What is the real answer to Helen Thomas's question, Mr Bush?

Did you really expect much different? Would you have done anything differently? He has been sticking to a story (or one of several) for the past couple of years. Do you really expect him to say something different now? Esp. considering that if he gave the answer you want to hear (whether it is true or not) it would hurt his party in mid-term elections, next presidential elections, and make him even more of a lame duck president than he is?

Are you really that simple minded?
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Did you really expect much different? Would you have done anything differently? He has been sticking to a story (or one of several) for the past couple of years. Do you really expect him to say something different now? Esp. considering that if he gave the answer you want to hear (whether it is true or not) it would hurt his party in mid-term elections, next presidential elections, and make him even more of a lame duck president than he is?

Are you really that simple minded?
Which story is Bush sticking to again? The one where Iraq is or is not tied to Al Qaeda?

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Did you really expect much different? Would you have done anything differently? He has been sticking to a story (or one of several) for the past couple of years. Do you really expect him to say something different now? Esp. considering that if he gave the answer you want to hear (whether it is true or not) it would hurt his party in mid-term elections, next presidential elections, and make him even more of a lame duck president than he is?

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Which story is Bush sticking to again? The one where Iraq is or is not tied to Al Qaeda?
That is why I added one of several in paran's.
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RE: What is the real answer to Helen Thomas's question, Mr Bush?

Looks like Mrs. Thomas gets her question answered after all:

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/03/27/international/europe/27memo.html?_r=1&hp&ex=1143435600&en=b6593aee0e01d 384&ei=5094&partner=homepage&oref=login

or, if you don't have a NY Times login:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12041516/from/RS.1/

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