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Are you seeking to make a technical point or state a personal view? From my (very) limited understanding of the COTUS,the First Ammendment is popularly taken as 'separation of chuch and state' and it is that spirit which the Supreme Court has sought to uphold.
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Are you seeking to make a technical point or state a personal view? From my (very) limited understanding of the COTUS,the First Ammendment is popularly taken as 'separation of chuch and state' and it is that spirit which the Supreme Court has sought to uphold.
Making both a legal point and personal observation. A quote should not be quoted from a document that does not contain that quote. As I explained previously, the 'intent' of the founding fathers is very clear in what it literally says. It is not my or your fault that there are those who seek to destroy the Constitution and the country that was founded on it's principles. We have bonehead Supreme Court decisions all the time. The income tax of the early 1900's was UNCONSTITUTIONAL. So the Constitution was ammended (16th) and ratified by 3/4 of the states to allow the collection of income taxes. This is how the constitution is supposed to be changed. Not a body of 9 justices changing it, which is exactly what happened with separation of church and state.

Jefferson's letter was one man's opinion. How many signitures were on the COTUS? Was it not 55? It is truly amazing that many minds could come together and agree on this document and it saddens me to watch the attempts (some successful) to take it apart piece by piece.
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"A quote should not be quoted from a document that does not contain that quote."

To what do you refer?
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Jamie Raskin as Jimmy Stewart as Jefferson Smith?

Hmmm.. so who else got suspicious?

The "What do you have to say about that?" in particular didn't sound legit.
Senator Jacobs (state senator btw; I wondered why I hadn't heard of her)
wouldn't have set herself up so simplistically.

Turns out she didn't say it! But the story is nonetheless 'essentially' true..

http://www.snopes.com/politics/quotes/raskin.asp

Thanks for posting that, I love snopes.

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"A quote should not be quoted from a document that does not contain that quote."

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You said our Constitution guarantees separation of church and state. It does not. You and others must think that it is in there somewhere, therefore the 'quote' remark.

I must clarify that the guarantees of religious freedom are in The Bill of Rights which is a document that was later ratified and attatched to the constitution at the requests of several delegates and framers.
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"A quote should not be quoted from a document that does not contain that quote."

To what do you refer?
You said our Constitution guarantees separation of church and state. It does not. You and others must think that it is in there somewhere, therefore the 'quote' remark.

I must clarify that the guarantees of religious freedom are in The Bill of Rights which is a document that was later ratified and attatched to the constitution at the requests of several delegates and framers.

Interesting paradox-having to swear on a bible to uphold the Constitution which guarantees the separation of church and state.

^^^^^^

I see no quotation marks there???

In fact in your response,you were the first to introduce them.Ironic?

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On Wednesday, March 1, 2006, at a hearing on the proposed Constitutional Amendment to prohibit gay marriage, Jamie Raskin, professor of law at AU, was requested to testify.

At the end of his testimony, Republican Senator Nancy Jacobs said: "Mr. Raskin, my Bible says marriage is only between a man and a woman. What do you have to say about that?"

Raskin replied: "Senator, when you took your oath of office, you placed your hand on the Bible and swore to uphold the Constitution. You did not place your hand on the Constitution and swear to uphold the Bible."

The room erupted into applause.
May I Opine on this Subject?
Mr. Raskin is witty and Mrs. Jacobs is nutty.
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