That Guy - 3/20/2006 6:11 PM
kvining - 3/20/2006 5:28 PM
I'm just saying that support for Israel is the kind of support we SHOULD be getting involved in - it benefits us both, and has wide popular support in both countries. Contrast that to Iraq. Israel has always been a massively strategic country, from the time of the Egyptians, the Romans, the British Empire and now - one can project power into Africa, Asia and the Middle East. It's a dagger at the throat of a lot of bad guys. Why not just make it a state? heck, it would be like downtown New York. We could call it "Jew York".
I'd be curious about the "wide popular support" in the US for Israel (I wonder how many Americans are knowledgeable enough to know whether they support Israel). Of course its popular in Israel, it gets them each $500/year.
If Israel is so damn strategic, how come we've been ineffectual and feckless in the region it resides in... the Middle East?!?!?!? Much less asia and africa.
Israel is not really strategic as far as being a portal to the Middle East in a peacful way (KV assesment is dead wrong because that's how the goods were sold). If the intent is to create leverage by fear then be it, but I would highly recommend Lebanon as the real deal.
So far Lebanon has proven that it is a survivor. It managed to get up from its civil war, get the Syrians out and most importantly IT IS A DEMOCRACY which means that the argument that Israel is the only one is highly flawed at best. Lebanon is looking for ways to create harmony between its factions unlike Israel that is looking at building barriers in every way to seperate itself while grabbing as much land as it can from the "undermenschen" Palestinians.
If the US wants a strategicly healthy leverage into the Middle East they should think about courting Lebanon, fortifying relations with Turkey (Which is another democratic country), start pulling out off Iraq and shift funds from Israel to Iraq for rebuilding. Not an easy plan nor is it going to be popular with the hawks because it does not involve blood shedding...
On a side note, I was watching the movie on LBJ and the problems he got himslef into with Vietnam, oh boy they did a real good job of showing how history repeats itself.
Back to the subject, when some of you mention the bad Arabs around Israel ready to pounce on her, who exactly did you mean? Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon, Syria? Those are the countries immediatly surrounding Israel and none of them are capable of attacking even if they wanted to. If you expand the circle now you have the rest of North Africa in the West, Saudi and the rest of GCC and Yemen to the south, Iraq and Iran to the East then Turkey to the north. I only see Iran as the possible real threat, correct me if I am wrong...
The bottom line if the US was serious about peace then it's actually very easy but not very appealing to Israel and arm manufacturers. This status quo was crafted for the rich, the religious zealots and the idiots that serve them whithout questioning...