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are you a material girl?

i am having beau troubles stemming from what i can best describe as "benz envy"

i am terribly smitten by my shlomo car-- love it to pieces. i get greasy and bloodied working on it, i sweat a great deal when i wax or detail it and worst of all-- i worry about it when i have to leave it parked... same too for the mopar.

in general i just take a great deal of pride in my motorcoaches. i find every other car just doesnt stack up-- they just dont have the 'feel' an old kraut can has. ive always had an intense interest in all things with wheels, ever since i was a wee tyke. even housing.

i was showing the beau images of new airstream trailers when i saw a bambi(16 foot camper trailer) and just loved it; tho i couldnt stay in one very long and made mention of it. he flew off the handle, mentioning family members of his that live in trailers, about how nothing is good enough, i dont work blah blah blah.

i grew up in a double wide(with polyester curtains and a redwood deck, thank you very much...) trailer, i mean.... my mother drove a fucking citation II.

i just dont know, yall. i dont feel like im extraordinarily self centered. i know where im from and i know how hard past generations of my family have worked for us to even be in the middle class.

is it wrong that i dont want to backpeddle and am not shamed by it? i generally dont mince words; very straight forward and to the point.

i dont want back patting or sympathy, i just want to discuss the delicate issue of degrees within the confines of interpersonal relationships. how have youall been effected by the mystique surrounding that damned 3-point star? do you ever even have to deal with things like this?

why does everyone blatantly refuse to accept the notion that someone can buy a mercedes and think the world of it, but not be eletist because of it?

i mean.... how can some 30 year old economy car even be thought of in this context?!? it really isnt the first time, im tiring of it.

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RE: are you a material girl?

Folk's reactions to your commendable care and appreciation of a fine piece of machinery are not to be borne and should be ignored,it stems solely from ignorance on their part,and judging from your location I should not wonder at this.

Let them have their tinny Japanese and American shitboxes.you know better,and it speaks volumes that you take such obvious pride in maintaining a well-built classic,let's have no guilt nor any sociological dissertation on this,such care and pride of ownership is beyond the scope of intellectual rationalisation,just enjoy your car,take care of it and laugh silently when these aforementioned shitboxes wear out.

Remember,good taste and sound judgement know no class lines.
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RE: are you a material girl?

iunno.

there seem to be more than a few types of 'benz people.' the new expensive car people, the new cheap car people, the old expensive car people the old cheap car people blah blah blah

the biggest problem i have with the whole thing is that i get lumped into some category i really dont belong to.

1) youre all about pretense and want badly to socially climb

2) you inherited money along with the car but are too much of a tightwad to buy new.

or 3) youre too poor to buy a new anything.

i really only bought the car because ive always liked volkswagens so much that ive had half a dozen of them. i stumbled upon these cheap little w123s(before this boutiue diesel thing happened) and ended up with a decent example for what most people wouldnt consider a lot of cash(the price of a new computer)

i think the finish of the automobile sort of breaks the deal when people are sizing you up. if its dirty, youre a type 3, if its clean, but not detailed, youre a type 2 and if it sparkles and shines, youre a type 1.

im very picky about the cars. my shlomos chrome does get polished[:)] i suppose that does me a disservice socially?

i also think that it throws some other personality traits into the spotlight as well. bad ones tend to get exaggerated whenever people make those snap judgements of us based on our material posessions.

i dont like that in defending my choice of automobile, ive lost whats beginning to be a handful of both friends and beaus.

i also cant shut up=) you know that line where the joke has served its purpose and anything else would be overkill? i cross that line a lot. i'd call it passion, but the people that are on the other end of the arguments always just call it annoying[:)]

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Give me leave to ask the most important question of all.......why should you give a damn about what ANYONE thinks?so long as you're secure in the knowledge that you're doing this thing with the old Benz for YOU yourself and it gives you pleasure!
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Ohh,near forgot a thought......Great way to weed out potential mates.........
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RE: are you a material girl?

The 123 sedan design is aesthetically pleasing. The build quality is superior to any other non-MB car then and now. If you like cars as you noted there is nothing wrong with liking these cars and caring for them. The idea of a 123 as a status symbol is mostly an American thing – in much of Europe and the Middle East, for example, they represented a sound business investment by taxi and delivery drivers. Just keep up with a 123's PM and it will run forever. In Germany circa 1980 the three-pointed star meant reliability, not prestige.

So, what you have is a well engineered, well designed but humble car for the masses.

That you are attracted to the car simply reflects your taste in design, it’s not an affectation.

Lastly, in what situations do you find yourself defending your choice of automobiles? Were they truly worthy friends if they leave you on account of something so superficial? Would they still be your friends if you drove a pick up truck with a shotgun rack and the Stars and Bars in the back window?
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The 123 sedan design is aesthetically pleasing. The build quality is superior to any other non-MB car then and now. If you like cars as you noted there is nothing wrong with liking these cars and caring for them. The idea of a 123 as a status symbol is mostly an American thing – in much of Europe and the Middle East, for example, they represented a sound business investment by taxi and delivery drivers. Just keep up with a 123's PM and it will run forever. In Germany circa 1980 the three-pointed star meant reliability, not prestige.

So, what you have is a well engineered, well designed but humble car for the masses.

That you are attracted to the car simply reflects your taste in design, it’s not an affectation.

Lastly, in what situations do you find yourself defending your choice of automobiles? Were they truly worthy friends if they leave you on account of something so superficial? Would they still be your friends if you drove a pick up truck with a shotgun rack and the Stars and Bars in the back window?
Excellent analysis jdc, so true...
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RE: are you a material girl?

iNeon, often when someone makes a big deal out of something like your car, they have unexamined issues they're really just covering for. They lash out and may not even know themselves what it's really about. Maybe choose a quiet moment sometime to try and find out what's really bugging them. If you think they're worth the trouble.

Otherwise, I definitely agree that jdc's analysis is on the mark.
But my guess is, it's not really about the car [:)]
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RE: are you a material girl?

I think it's funny how you refer to a neon as "the mopar".

My wife had a neon when we met, and it was th biggest POS I've ever experienced. I could start a whole new thread about how shitty it was.

Let's save "the mopar" to the chargers, challengers, etc...
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I could start a whole new thread about how shitty it was.
i bet youre very proud of rescuing her from such deplorable driving conditions.

get over that 211 dude. we all know a new mercedes is not more reliable than ANY econobox. being a benz owner as well... i know all about unreliability, and i drive the most reliable benz ever made.

let us discuss this, though.

how many times has that 211 chassis car been back to the dealer to have its software updated? any mechanical faults?

ive always found it funny that people with <3 year old cars are the ones that always run around talking how reliable their cars are. um.... hello?

reliability comes at age, not birth. all new cars are reliable for 5 years, THEN you get to the good part...

the part where you race to get the most trouble free miles without a mechanical failure whenever the object has been paid for.

ill make mention of the neons component failures for you...

1) a head gasket (no dice on this as dirt-- remember the w124?)
2) fuel pump
3) sunroof track
4) drives window regulator(car was broken into, the broken glass was EVERYWHERE in the door-- still cant get it all, ugh)
5) right passenger door speaker failed

they had purchased the 75,000mile warranty and had the first 3 repaired at around 50k, the last two were outside of warranty claims and cost me around 500 dollars to repair myself(including the complete 6 speaker replacement)

is that so bad?

try for me, please.... try to imagine that youre budget was around 15k like me. imagine youre 17 years old and your father points at your beater first car and says "get that ugly thing out of my yard, go to dodge and pick you somethng new."

now imagine yourself 9 years later.

youre still driving that same little car you drove to high school, still getting everywhere you intend to go, completly trouble free and at right at 35mpg as well.

its not so bad, i wont pretend it is. the styling is dated, i concede, but what else that they sold at the time isnt?

youve got the escorts and tracers, the chevaliers and the hyundais. youve got carollas and civics or the w202 c class that were the same size, youve also got the 318s from the middle 90s as well.

name me the one of them that has more rear leg room than a lexus lx470 by 5 *inches*

name me the one of them that won its generations automobile of the year award?

the one that has won the most SCCA amateur races?

the neon may be humble; it may have cloth seats and manual air conditioning, a manual transmission and hubcaps. it may have a fwd platform and a 4 cylinder engine rated at a paltry 150hp/133ft/lbs and it may have cost less than a starter home.

the one thing it isnt is unreliable.

might i inquire as to what year and model neon youre talking about? was it maintained? well kept?

the first generation cars did have some issues. the head gaskets and woeful sound insulation did the little cars a tremendous disservice, but by 1998 those issues were dealt with(33% of all components were redesigned) and the car was exactly what it should have been.

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