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RE: Video shows Bush as complete, total, utter liar. Why no calls for impeaching this lying sack of

Most of that I have already seen and understood. I apologize for my smart-ass remark. Your statement asserting she was not covert, without support, smacks of the typical republican talking point, and is completely false.

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Most of that I have already seen and understood. I apologize for my smart-ass remark. Your statement asserting she was not covert, without support, smacks of the typical republican talking point, and is completely false.
Whether she was covert or not is, as Fitzgerald intimated, not decided. There is evidence going both ways. As understand it part of the problem is the way that the law is written and interpreted. It was originally written to address a specific instance by a specific individual, Aldridge Ames. That was a dumb reason to make a law and the result is a dumb law that is difficult to interpret.

Here's what I'm betting.

Fitzgerald recognized how badly the law was written but believed that Scooter had violated it in spirit, if not provably in court. Fitzgerald did (does) have Scooter dead-to-rights on the perjury thing. Had scooter been entirely blameless Fitzgerald may have let the lie slide by assuming it was simply a misstatement of fact. However, Fitzgerald doesn't like being played and so decided to hammer Scooter with what Fitzgerald believes is a good case.

That's not good law but it gets the politicians on notice that lying to a grand jury is never a winning proposition. Too bad Libby didn't learn from either Nixon or Clinton. But Libby is like every other politician in recorded history--egotistical enough to believe that they are more important than mere laws meant for the little people. I hope they burn his ass for that reason, if for no other.

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RE: Video shows Bush as complete, total, utter liar. Why no calls for impeaching this lying sack of

I'm sorry -- no one who answers to "Scooter" belongs in politics.


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Maybe I am simple-minded. I think that people who lie under oath to a federal judge, or a State judge for that matter should be proscecuted.

In your world lies are OK if they further your political aims.
Simple minded or not, an affair and letting a major city, with vital petrolium and import centers, drown are two completely seperate things. If you want to call them the same than I will stop here.
Lying to the grand jury is the issue, not what the lie is about. Ask Scooter Libby. He ain't in trouble because what he is suspected of lying about, he is in trouble for lying. Unless you think that the subject of the lie is important, in which case Fitzgerald would have to prove that Plame was legally a NOC, that Libby knew it, and that Libby knew it was breaking that particular law to reveal the fact. The reason (IMO) that Fitzgerald didn't go for that was he knew or suspected he couldn't overcome those hurdles.

Like whatsisname did with Clinton. Couldn't pin him on the original charge so busted for something he could prove. Is that fair? Sure, unless you would agree with Fowler and say that only your team should be exempt from the laws of perjury before a grand jury.

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Maybe I am simple-minded. I think that people who lie under oath to a federal judge, or a State judge for that matter should be proscecuted.

In your world lies are OK if they further your political aims.
If you sucked my dick, I'd lie about it.

That is about as intellectual a remark as you are capable of making.
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RE: Video shows Bush as complete, total, utter liar. Why no calls for impeaching this lying sack of

Hey - it makes my point. It is an utterly stupid subject, infantile and moronic, that never should have risen to the point of a national issue. It simply is not comparable to Bush's outright lawbreaking, lawbreaking that has resulted in death and destruction of innocent people. On one hand, we have a man who lies to keep from getting in trouble with his wife, on the other, a man getting thousands of people killed as he lies his self silly.

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