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ML had a lot of complains.
Bottom line, the last Japanese I owned was 19 years ago.
You have to admit, that on average, the initial gen ML does have a ton of issues. Good to hear that yours hasn't.

The last Japanese car I owned was a 1990 CRX Si. And still have it, 165k later. I'll never get rid of it. Everything works, it's fun to drive, hasn't been to the shop for 5 different sunroof mechanisms, and the climate controls make sense.

Unless it's an SLK350, I won't be buying another Benz. Their total lack of caring about manual transmissions and general soft nature aren't very enticing. Maybe an Elise instead...

2002 Ccoupe, not as good as others, apparently
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Consumer Reports is a liberal rag. They have an agenda.

Consider this along with the excellent info they provide and make your own choice.

Also consider the meaning of a survey that depends upon "self reported" defects.


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Liberal rag? Jesus, not car critics too? Maybe your a little too conservative? The guide is merely that, a guide from a certain general perspective where logic and rational are the goals, not passion and desire. Use it as one tool of many when considering buying a new depreciating pig of a car that plummets in value daily. Enjoy!
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I think Consumer Reports is doing good job.
Actually this is the only independent publication, that does any testing and reporting on US soil.
How different from Europe, when even a small country has a dozen such agencies.
To understand how the car report works you have to follow the "chain". CR takes the data from the subscribers.
Subscribers answer the question about what they have based on what they know about it.
Now try to figure out, how many average owners have an idea how computerized traction control, or ESP works? Than how about GPS, smart key, adjustable suspension, integrated phone, limping modes and other stuff, that is so popular on MB, but mostly unheard on other brands.
General perception is, that when we don't understand something, than it has to be bad.
Other thing is the mass media brain washing.
We are all flooded with BS how excellent hybrids are, when information about 21-Century diesels is suppressed.
So when you get average Joe report comparing those two, what opinion would you expect?
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The fit and finish of a MB product is very good. Mechanically, they have a lot to be desired. One doesn't expect a page and a half of warranty repairs in the first 18 months of operation and continued problems throughout ownership. I only hope MB will listen to the consumer and fix these reliability problems.
Agreed, the fit and finish of MB's are great, and so are the design and handling. As for the warranty issues (many of which seem to be electronic rather than mechanical), MB management is on record in the year 2000 as saying that their newly-poor ratings constituted "a wake-up call". So by now, six years later, it's fair to conclude that it's deliberate policy.

They've discovered that MBs sell well despite their numerous faults, thanks to the sterling reputation developed over decades by previous managers who took the inherent quality of their product to be the highest good.

Back in the early 90s, and before, MB was at or near the top of both ratings (CR & JD Power) so often maligned in these forums. Even I can remember when the E-Class was CR "Recommended". The CR editors rhapsodized about the very qualities they have been accused in this thread of ignoring. The difference was, the car didn't break down all the time.

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I think Consumer Reports is doing good job.
I agree - the only thing I would like if they did better is more of a detailed breakout of the type of problems.

I would rather replace two power window motors (2 problems) than one tranny (1 problem)



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RE: Consumer Reports '06 car picks

so do they really do that?

i mean, id assume they would want to clairify things like that before adding the statistics to those of the real problems.

like misfit says... is a switch or light bulb ranked as a problem? do these rank as high as catastrophic engine failures?

i think "most reliable" has been confused with "most appliancelike" to be honest.

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iNeon - they do try to break it out a bit into "body" "electrical" etc -

But I would still like more detail - even in category "electrical" - replacing the entire wiring harness is a little more of an issue than say the power window switch
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RE: Consumer Reports '06 car picks

Does anyone actually care what Consumer Reports says about a car? There are a ton of publications that solely concentrate on vehicles. Why would you bother taking advice from a magazine that also reviews sewing machines?
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Why would you bother taking advice from a magazine that also reviews sewing machines?
Because they are the only one having no incentive in promoting any brand, or design?
CR is having very limited testing done on the cars, but the reports are based on members. Listen what average American has to say, or either take it, or try to educate them.
Education is not strong part in US lately. While smart keys and implanted chips are becoming every day items in Europe, they are still considered science-fiction in US.
But the times will come...
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