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It isn't worth it Jim. Fucker has his head burried in the sand.
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It isn't worth it Jim. Fucker has his head burried in the sand.
Then why do you bother commenting?
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Says you. I don't see him or her being prosecuted yet.

If the President and his cronies devised some lame legal premise for assuming the President can do whatever he wants, and then he proceeds along his merry way, hiding behind "national security" cloaks you are correct. That is a conspiracy to commit the acts that are later identified to be crimes. Which is why the other thread about one of the co-conspirators pressuring the Republican Senators reviewing this on the Judiciary Committee or some such thing is so revealing. Should the Senators decide there is a legal problem, they have little choice but to draw up impeachment papers. Oh well. I hope there is a measure of justice left for the rest of the co-conspirators. Jim


So you have nothing except conjecture.
I think the President overstepped his authority too but this is a matter of checks and balances not impeachment and treason charges.
Get a grip.

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This just show the extent of your BDS (Bush Derangement Syndrome). Joe Wilson flat out lied. Get it? The Senate called him out. Get it again?


"So, to sum up: the Senate Intelligence Committee's report shows that: 1) Wilson lied in the New York Times about what he told the CIA after he returned from Niger. In fact, far from debunking the concern that Iraq may have tried to buy uranium from Niger, Wilson reported that Niger's former Prime Minister told him that Iraq had made just such an overture in 1999. 2) Wilson lied when he leaked a report to the Washington Post about documents he had not even seen. 3) Wilson lied when he said that his wife Valerie "had nothing to do with" his being chosen to go to Niger.

In the face of this evidence, which is evident to anyone who takes the trouble to read the Committee's report, Rosenkrantz and Roberts blithely assert that Wilson's assertions about Africa and uranium "have held up in the face of attacks," and that "the Senate panel conclusions didn't discredit Wilson." Having read the Senate Intelligence Committee's report with care, I can think of only two possible explanations: either Rosenkrantz and Roberts have not read the report, or they are trying to mislead their readers. In either case, this is a grotesque instance of journalistic malpractice. Sadly, however, it is not untypical of the quality of the liberal media's reporting on the Wilson/Plame affair."

http://powerlineblog.com/archives/011068.php#011068
Back to the point, was the leaking of this and other classified information self serving by the Bush regime or not?

We can debate the sides of the stories over and over, and misquote context to make whatever points you or I would like. Neither was there, so we are making arguments that are built on "facts" that amount to heresay. Politically spinning heresay.

I am not here to defend Wilson's actions in sealed rooms with various Senators because I have no idea what he said. However, I have yet to see a CIA report or statement that Valerie Plame's authority extended to selecting her husband for the job. Without a statement describing the selection process (like who was considered and why he was picked) this is just you carping about some alleged unsavory influence that has not been established by anyone, with the sole purpose of discrediting the report Wilson made. Which you then say supported the President's State of the Union claims.

In any case the WMD story and all its "tributaries" have been established to be junk. Why start acting like the last three years have not already gone by? The question was, is the leaking self serving or not? It is. Or do you think it isn't? If you think the leaks are beneficial to the United States of America as a whole, explain. Then carp on about Plame's role in the CIA that the CIA does not agree with you on, and her husband. I don't care. Neither of them are the President, the Vice President or another arm of the regime. Jim
Wait, was classified info leaked? I think that is alleged and not proven. If it is unproven then the remainder of your argument that depends on that conclusion is ... inconclusive.

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Says you. I don't see him or her being prosecuted yet.

If the President and his cronies devised some lame legal premise for assuming the President can do whatever he wants, and then he proceeds along his merry way, hiding behind "national security" cloaks you are correct. That is a conspiracy to commit the acts that are later identified to be crimes. Which is why the other thread about one of the co-conspirators pressuring the Republican Senators reviewing this on the Judiciary Committee or some such thing is so revealing. Should the Senators decide there is a legal problem, they have little choice but to draw up impeachment papers. Oh well. I hope there is a measure of justice left for the rest of the co-conspirators. Jim


So you have nothing except conjecture.
I think the President overstepped his authority too but this is a matter of checks and balances not impeachment and treason charges.
Get a grip.
Exactly right, except the "Get a grip" part.

No chance.

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RE: Will there be a regime change in 2008?

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Says you. I don't see him or her being prosecuted yet.

If the President and his cronies devised some lame legal premise for assuming the President can do whatever he wants, and then he proceeds along his merry way, hiding behind "national security" cloaks you are correct. That is a conspiracy to commit the acts that are later identified to be crimes. Which is why the other thread about one of the co-conspirators pressuring the Republican Senators reviewing this on the Judiciary Committee or some such thing is so revealing. Should the Senators decide there is a legal problem, they have little choice but to draw up impeachment papers. Oh well. I hope there is a measure of justice left for the rest of the co-conspirators. Jim


So you have nothing except conjecture.
I think the President overstepped his authority too but this is a matter of checks and balances not impeachment and treason charges.
Get a grip.
The checks and balances are a Constitutional issue. Very well within the realm of impeachment charges if the President is determined to have violated the law.

Last I recalled in my security clearance briefing, which was quite a while ago, leaking classified information is treason. Jim
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RE: Will there be a regime change in 2008?

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This just show the extent of your BDS (Bush Derangement Syndrome). Joe Wilson flat out lied. Get it? The Senate called him out. Get it again?


"So, to sum up: the Senate Intelligence Committee's report shows that: 1) Wilson lied in the New York Times about what he told the CIA after he returned from Niger. In fact, far from debunking the concern that Iraq may have tried to buy uranium from Niger, Wilson reported that Niger's former Prime Minister told him that Iraq had made just such an overture in 1999. 2) Wilson lied when he leaked a report to the Washington Post about documents he had not even seen. 3) Wilson lied when he said that his wife Valerie "had nothing to do with" his being chosen to go to Niger.

In the face of this evidence, which is evident to anyone who takes the trouble to read the Committee's report, Rosenkrantz and Roberts blithely assert that Wilson's assertions about Africa and uranium "have held up in the face of attacks," and that "the Senate panel conclusions didn't discredit Wilson." Having read the Senate Intelligence Committee's report with care, I can think of only two possible explanations: either Rosenkrantz and Roberts have not read the report, or they are trying to mislead their readers. In either case, this is a grotesque instance of journalistic malpractice. Sadly, however, it is not untypical of the quality of the liberal media's reporting on the Wilson/Plame affair."

http://powerlineblog.com/archives/011068.php#011068
Back to the point, was the leaking of this and other classified information self serving by the Bush regime or not?

We can debate the sides of the stories over and over, and misquote context to make whatever points you or I would like. Neither was there, so we are making arguments that are built on "facts" that amount to heresay. Politically spinning heresay.

I am not here to defend Wilson's actions in sealed rooms with various Senators because I have no idea what he said. However, I have yet to see a CIA report or statement that Valerie Plame's authority extended to selecting her husband for the job. Without a statement describing the selection process (like who was considered and why he was picked) this is just you carping about some alleged unsavory influence that has not been established by anyone, with the sole purpose of discrediting the report Wilson made. Which you then say supported the President's State of the Union claims.

In any case the WMD story and all its "tributaries" have been established to be junk. Why start acting like the last three years have not already gone by? The question was, is the leaking self serving or not? It is. Or do you think it isn't? If you think the leaks are beneficial to the United States of America as a whole, explain. Then carp on about Plame's role in the CIA that the CIA does not agree with you on, and her husband. I don't care. Neither of them are the President, the Vice President or another arm of the regime. Jim
Wait, was classified info leaked? I think that is alleged and not proven. If it is unproven then the remainder of your argument that depends on that conclusion is ... inconclusive.

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Bot, there you go again. You're just a fanatical Bush appologist hiding under a veneer of Libertarianism. Fitzgerald has made it clear the Plame issue was a breach of classified information. Google the indictment and read. All this conjecture about how well known her employer was or wasn't amounts to a hill of beans. Fitzgerald and the CIA claim she was still a covert agent until the present regime outed her. I don't know how you find proof she wasn't covert when her employer says she was and an investigation conducted has concluded it was not common knowledge outside the CIA that she was employed there at all. The rest of the song Libby is singing will be verified as Libby's future freedom will depend on the veracity of his verses and chorus lines. Jim
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You would think the Republicans have enough on their side without the help from the blindly self serving and proud of it crew. I guess it was just coincidence that the L.A. plot from TWO years ago was brought up on the day Scooter starts the blame game. Sure.
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Says you. I don't see him or her being prosecuted yet.

If the President and his cronies devised some lame legal premise for assuming the President can do whatever he wants, and then he proceeds along his merry way, hiding behind "national security" cloaks you are correct. That is a conspiracy to commit the acts that are later identified to be crimes. Which is why the other thread about one of the co-conspirators pressuring the Republican Senators reviewing this on the Judiciary Committee or some such thing is so revealing. Should the Senators decide there is a legal problem, they have little choice but to draw up impeachment papers. Oh well. I hope there is a measure of justice left for the rest of the co-conspirators. Jim


So you have nothing except conjecture.
I think the President overstepped his authority too but this is a matter of checks and balances not impeachment and treason charges.
Get a grip.
The checks and balances are a Constitutional issue. Very well within the realm of impeachment charges if the President is determined to have violated the law.

Last I recalled in my security clearance briefing, which was quite a while ago, leaking classified information is treason. Jim


So is a court challenge saying the President overstepped his authority and can't do it anymore.
Or Congress spelling out the authority more clearly so there are better guidelines for future actions. The President isn't about to be impeached over this or treason charges brought against him.


BTW, leaking classified info isn't usually considered a legally treasonable act.






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