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BenzE500,

In my religion, what you said is even worse than those cartoons. I'm not going to riot about it. I'll ignore it. But if you decide to publish it on some newspaper, I think you'll be mocking every believer in God. Again, I will not riot nor even demonstrate. There have always been such things in the media.


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Corkscrew, are you an IDIOT. God is a little thing to keep children happy. What the hell does that mean. THat is the dumbest statement I have ever heard.
Funny that.Initially I considered it about the most sensible thing I ever heard from Corkscrew.Then I realised that it's not a little thing at all.In fact it's a whole wad of brainwashing to which millions of kids are involuntarily exposed,which can prejudice and scar them for the rest of their lives.Unfortunately,unlike Father Christmas and the Tooth Fairy,too few recognise the banality of their indoctrination and grow up to infect another generation.[V]

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That Guy,

If you really want to know why it's the fastest growing religion, do some serious reading about it from original Islamic sources. Only then will you know why.
Take a look at this. People can't deny the truth when they see it.
http://www.welcome-back.org/profile/spaulding.shtml
Especially this part:
".. After being Muslim for less than two months, another incident happened. On September 14, 2001 a young man attacked me in a grocery store. Motivated by hatred for Muslims, he jammed his cart into me so hard that it cut my back, ankles, and one of my legs. The force pushed me into the shelf of cans, causing one of the shelves to fall down on me. As the cans hurled down, they cut my head and hands. Some of the cuts later required stitches. The isle happened to be in focus of the store security camera, which captured the man as he was about to run away. The authorities soon caught him. He stayed near me, and didn’t run far. I think he was truly amazed at what he himself had done. He later said that he thought I was an Arab, as if that was a reason enough to hurt someone. He was surprised that I spoke clear English. He was further amazed when he came to know that I was a disabled American Veteran.

He was facing serious charges. I gave him the choice of either going to jail or attend lecture on Islam in ten one-hour sessions. He chose the lectures. I made sure that if he did not come to the lectures then I would retain my rights of recourse with the court system.

That very morning, I had just read a Hadith about our wonderful Prophet (pbuh) who had trash dumped on his head every morning, and then when one morning he was not treated this way, he went to check on the neighbor who was found to be sick. He had compassion
for this person. Having read this in that very morning, what else could I do? I too had a daughter about the same age as that 20-year old man. One mistake could ruin the life of this young man. Would I not want compassion for my daughter if she did something like this? He had been a good college student and was just young and did not truly have an education of Islam. Sometimes when one does not know about something, it can be scary.

He continued with the classes and actually studied Islam longer than he was required by the contract. About 6 months later in February of 2002, he declared the Shahada. I was so very happy when I got that email from him. I had moved out of the area where he was living. He then joined the local Muslim Students Association and engaged in Dawah works. Allah Akbar!

Every day, I look at the scars that I received from that attack, and I feel happy. I remember where they came from and I thank Allah for allowing this to happen. "
Blah, Blah, Blah, Blah

Lots of these stories around something happens to someone and they assume it is because they are a minority, or they are this or that.

Had you opened the link, you would've known that who said this was an American lady who embraced Islam recently not a 'minority' member. ( Her name is Ann Spaulding and she's white, if race is a problem) Unless, of course, if you consider a new American Muslim convert no longer American. (Freedom of belief?)

Another reason why it grows is that there is a penalty for apostasy.

Anybody care to talk about that?

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Yes, sir. May I?

Apostasy is easy. Actually it was on my how-to-make-money list when I was a teenager. All a Muslim has to do is seek asylum somewhere in the west, state the reason as religious opression, write a book about it and BINGO! he'll be rich and famous. But they don't do it because they know it's just not right. Rather, it's absolutely wrong.
It grows because it's right. As simple as that.
Why not stay in her own country after renouncing Islam and write the book there?

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Because nobody will read the nonesense she will write nor will care to see her on TV faking tears. So, no money nor fame. By the way, I know a lot of atheist ex-Muslims who live in the Muslim world. Most of them after a certain age returned back to Islam. All of those I know believed in communism in their youth as it was all the hype back then. People were ashamed to admit they believed in God because that's not what people in the USSR believed (or were forced to declare they believed). Maybe when they saw the fall of the Soviet Union, they looked for another 'fashion' to follow.

If a Muslim wants to apostate and keep his life, he can do it without bragging about it in public.

You will not find a lot of Muslims renounce Islam because if one knows Islam for real, he/she will not find a thing that he doesn't like.
Are you certain your are accurate in this?

What is the punishment for apostasy?

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Well said Jim, but the latter avenue will just bring distruction as lond as we have oil underground. We either sell it or it will be taken away... By force.
We know it, so what can we ignore and pretend to be so we can live the "one thousand nights" fables?

I am well aware of how the Western culture translates work into processes based on cost managment theories, the problem is that paradigm is seeping into our lives as well. Hell even my wives apply the ABC on me (Activity Based Costing) and let's not go to the children, they have learned how to negotiate using game theory techniques... Eventually we will be assimilated, it will be futile to resist....
If you really believe it is futile to resist, then stop resisting. This struggle for the sake of struggling is getting on all of our nerves. Jim
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WOW! a quadrapost!!! I believe we have a new record. Kudos, Jim. [:)]
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RE: A Muslim's point of view...

I appreciate the effort to explain "A Muslim's point of view." I have a question.

So many people reacted with such anger at a cartoon showing a visage of the prophet with a bomb in his headdress. Yet we have seen hundreds of photos and videos of Muslims holding bombs and guns under signs that proclaim the "greatness of Allah" and praising the Prophet. These photos are of young men and women who then went on to blow themselves up killing many innocents.

If the cartoon was such an insult, why are not photos of Muslims holding bombs before they kill people also insults? And why didn't these photos stir protest and anger among the Musllim people?

Can someone explain that to me?
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I appreciate Tahloube's effort to explain "A Muslim's point of view." I have a question.

So many people reacted with such anger at a cartoon showing a visage of the prophet with a bomb in his headdress. Yet we have seen hundreds of photos and videos of Muslims holding bombs and guns under signs that proclaim the "greatness of Allah" and praising the Prophet. These photos are of young men and women who then went on to blow themselves up killing many innocents.

If the cartoon was such an insult, why are not photos of Muslims holding bombs before they kill people also insults? And why didn't these photos stir protest and anger among the Musllim people?

Can someone explain that to me?
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"The world needs peaceful leaders everywhere. US, Britain, morocco, Europe, Africa, India, China, everywhere.
If the world had enough peace-loving leaders, there will be hardly any extremists or terrorists anywhere"

You’re kidding right?
Here is how the US goes to war.
We are going to attack you if you don't do this....
One more time we are going to attack you..
One more time we are going to attack you..
One more time we are going to attack you..
One more time we are going to attack you..
One more time we are going to attack you..
One more time we are going to attack you..
Ok now really, this time were going to attack you..
Ok now really, this time were going to attack you..
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Ok now really, this time were going to attack you..
Ok now really, this time were going to attack you..
Ok now really, this time were going to attack you..
Civilians please leave we are going to attack here and here and here and here but we are also giving you one more chance...
One more chance...
One more chance...
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One more chance...
One more chance...
One more chance...

Extremist attack without warning and kills as many civilians as possible. Put leaders that are like the US in Syria, Iran and Palestine and you would not believe how fast of the tension in the world would ease..
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