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Shabah, you are right, I attributed your attempt to provide a description of the situation as you see it from a non-participant watching in person to your outlook on the situation. I will try to be more acute in the future.

I am not a historian of any kind, much less one with a specialisation in the Middle East. However, it seems to me the bigger threat to your culture is the less substantive, "vile and pernicious" culture of the West that Frank Zappa described as the "slime oozing our of your TV set" once upon a time. The perspective you describe of the relationship between the West and the Middle East seems to be one of exploitation with the Arab world being the victim. I don't see that as much as I see, like the American Indian and the Alaskan Eskimo, a culture clash that ultimately leaves only one culture alive an well. The Western culture of the United States Almighty Dollar First depends on translating everything a human can do in life to an hourly pay rate, then, uses manipulation of the younger generation's hormones to lure the youth away first, to make them willing, even eager to exchange their entire life's work for consumer products that they think are "cool."

Once they are coverted to consumers at whatever their hourly rate is, they are assimilated. In the Middle East the fate of the Eskimo or the American Indian was averted because of your natural resource, oil. You trade oil for the agent the West uses to permeate, dillute and then subjugate your own culture, money. Once you have money you get the best service from the marketers of the products to be consumed. As a result you have a constant cultural confrontation with the West to face when you leave your door. It may be inside your home as well, selected from shelves of products made by others trading their lives for a lower hourly rate, purchased with your hourly rate and placed there by you.


Either succumb by joining the West and become desensitized to these countless affronts to your beliefs, or reject the agent of this challenge, the dollar, or any Western currency. Barter for what you need or want without the agent. Jim
Well said Jim, but the latter avenue will just bring distruction as lond as we have oil underground. We either sell it or it will be taken away... By force.
We know it, so what can we ignore and pretend to be so we can live the "one thousand nights" fables?

I am well aware of how the Western culture translates work into processes based on cost managment theories, the problem is that paradigm is seeping into our lives as well. Hell even my wives apply the ABC on me (Activity Based Costing) and let's not go to the children, they have learned how to negotiate using game theory techniques... Eventually we will be assimilated, it will be futile to resist....
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It's not only in university. I live in a building with 60 apartments and more than 20 nationalities. Anywhere you go, you'll hear at least 5 languages in half an hour. People who don't speak English, can't make themselves understood in this Arab land.
Saying you understand and are familar with other cultures because you deal with people from other countries is like saying you know what a steak tastes like by observing a cow.

There is a big difference between interacting with people in your country vs. being in their country.
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I'm not suggesting that you should enjoy the humor. I understand the images are insulting. But why should you care if you're insulted by an ignorant child? The people responsible for publishing these images obviously do not share your beliefs, so why hold them in such high regard? I'm merely suggesting that you should not allow purveyors of ignorance to dictate your behavior.
Verily, the Force is strong in this one.

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"It's a shame how racism is present almost everywhere on earth."

What do you mean almost? It is present everywhere on Earth.

I believe if Islamic nations restrained their extremists and there where peaceful leaders in Syria, Iran, and Palestine. The Western world would listen to them and we could live together in peace.
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Corkscrew, are you an IDIOT. God is a little thing to keep children happy. What the hell does that mean. THat is the dumbest statement I have ever heard.
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That Guy,

If you really want to know why it's the fastest growing religion, do some serious reading about it from original Islamic sources. Only then will you know why.
Take a look at this. People can't deny the truth when they see it.
http://www.welcome-back.org/profile/spaulding.shtml
Especially this part:
".. After being Muslim for less than two months, another incident happened. On September 14, 2001 a young man attacked me in a grocery store. Motivated by hatred for Muslims, he jammed his cart into me so hard that it cut my back, ankles, and one of my legs. The force pushed me into the shelf of cans, causing one of the shelves to fall down on me. As the cans hurled down, they cut my head and hands. Some of the cuts later required stitches. The isle happened to be in focus of the store security camera, which captured the man as he was about to run away. The authorities soon caught him. He stayed near me, and didn’t run far. I think he was truly amazed at what he himself had done. He later said that he thought I was an Arab, as if that was a reason enough to hurt someone. He was surprised that I spoke clear English. He was further amazed when he came to know that I was a disabled American Veteran.

He was facing serious charges. I gave him the choice of either going to jail or attend lecture on Islam in ten one-hour sessions. He chose the lectures. I made sure that if he did not come to the lectures then I would retain my rights of recourse with the court system.

That very morning, I had just read a Hadith about our wonderful Prophet (pbuh) who had trash dumped on his head every morning, and then when one morning he was not treated this way, he went to check on the neighbor who was found to be sick. He had compassion
for this person. Having read this in that very morning, what else could I do? I too had a daughter about the same age as that 20-year old man. One mistake could ruin the life of this young man. Would I not want compassion for my daughter if she did something like this? He had been a good college student and was just young and did not truly have an education of Islam. Sometimes when one does not know about something, it can be scary.

He continued with the classes and actually studied Islam longer than he was required by the contract. About 6 months later in February of 2002, he declared the Shahada. I was so very happy when I got that email from him. I had moved out of the area where he was living. He then joined the local Muslim Students Association and engaged in Dawah works. Allah Akbar!

Every day, I look at the scars that I received from that attack, and I feel happy. I remember where they came from and I thank Allah for allowing this to happen. "
Blah, Blah, Blah, Blah

Lots of these stories around something happens to someone and they assume it is because they are a minority, or they are this or that.

Had you opened the link, you would've known that who said this was an American lady who embraced Islam recently not a 'minority' member. ( Her name is Ann Spaulding and she's white, if race is a problem) Unless, of course, if you consider a new American Muslim convert no longer American. (Freedom of belief?)

Another reason why it grows is that there is a penalty for apostasy.

Anybody care to talk about that?

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Yes, sir. May I?

Apostasy is easy. Actually it was on my how-to-make-money list when I was a teenager. All a Muslim has to do is seek asylum somewhere in the west, state the reason as religious opression, write a book about it and BINGO! he'll be rich and famous. But they don't do it because they know it's just not right. Rather, it's absolutely wrong.
It grows because it's right. As simple as that.
Why not stay in her own country after renouncing Islam and write the book there?

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Because nobody will read the nonesense she will write nor will care to see her on TV faking tears. So, no money nor fame. By the way, I know a lot of atheist ex-Muslims who live in the Muslim world. Most of them after a certain age returned back to Islam. All of those I know believed in communism in their youth as it was all the hype back then. People were ashamed to admit they believed in God because that's not what people in the USSR believed (or were forced to declare they believed). Maybe when they saw the fall of the Soviet Union, they looked for another 'fashion' to follow.

If a Muslim wants to apostate and keep his life, he can do it without bragging about it in public.

You will not find a lot of Muslims renounce Islam because if one knows Islam for real, he/she will not find a thing that he doesn't like.

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It's not only in university. I live in a building with 60 apartments and more than 20 nationalities. Anywhere you go, you'll hear at least 5 languages in half an hour. People who don't speak English, can't make themselves understood in this Arab land.
Saying you understand and are familar with other cultures because you deal with people from other countries is like saying you know what a steak tastes like by observing a cow.

There is a big difference between interacting with people in your country vs. being in their country.
I do interact with them and it's something I enjoy a lot. I don't say I understand their cultures, but I wish I do and I don't spare any effort to do that.
Now, do you interact with 'minorities'? If you happen to interact with a few muslims who live in the US you will find it much easier to understand them.


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piece be upon me.
..and peace be upon me and everybody else.

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"It's a shame how racism is present almost everywhere on earth."

What do you mean almost? It is present everywhere on Earth.

I believe if Islamic nations restrained their extremists and there where peaceful leaders in Syria, Iran, and Palestine. The Western world would listen to them and we could live together in peace.
Just in case some people were not racist... I hope.

The world needs peaceful leaders eveywhere. US, Britain, morocco, Europe, Africa, India, China, eveywhere.
If the world had enough peace-loving leaders, there will be hardly any extremists or terrorists anywhere.

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