JimSmith - 2/10/2006 12:46 AM
Shabah - 2/9/2006 3:52 PM
No doubt about it, rioting was not a smart way to confront this "problem"...
GS, those people are desparate because there is no ligitimate avenues for them to vent their frustrations. They have been taken away from them. For example, whhat kind of forum do you think they should have used to discuss this issue ina civilized manner? Write an editorial on Al-Jazira? You're not going to read it since your administration and their dumb followers already labeled it as a mouthpiece for the terrorists. Ok, maybe the NY times or The Post or Le Monde???? Like they are going to give them the time of day....
Another reason it went out off hand is that some were actually like your administration proved are backed by the local governments and then they play it like it was a popular movement of some shit.
The bottom line, like you observed, yes they lost out and they have shot themselves in the foot, but what else can they do? Maybe they should have paid a lobbyiest in DC to relay the message? Where is AIPAC's web page, let me try....
I often find myself being able to see Shabah's side of these arguments, but this one, along with much of Tahloube's seems fraught with fragmented logic and, well, excuses instead of rational explanations. Sorry, but saying you have a switch you can say someone flipped that caused you to go non-linear is just nonsense. There is no genetic explanation for Muslims havng this switch while the rest of us don't. God made us all from the same gnurb. All religious beliefs are in our heads. We are all accountable and responsible for decisions we make and actions we take as a result of those decisions. No one gets to declare an irrationality button that can be randomly accessed by others that then absolves you of being responsible for your actions.
And the excuse that you need to be heard and have no outlet other than to riot is also, essentially, without substance. If you have no outlet, make one. That is what all the rest of us have to do as we don't have the option to behave violently and expect anyone to "understand" our plight. Any civilization with the longevity and success in difficult circumstances as the Arab world has to be innovative and creative enough to do better than throw stones and start fires when they are frustrated.
Being successfully understood requires an equal effort to understand the other side. I am sorry but what I hear either boils down to "woe is me, everyone hates me so I am going outside to eat worms" or "I love my religion so it and I are justified and right, even if you have a logical point, in the end I love my religion so I am right." Neither is much of an attempt to be understood.
I can listen, but not when the discussion reminds me of Bush defending his blundering, thoughtless actions by denying he has made any mistakes and chanting he is going to stay the course. Jim