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Tahloube, you're picking on the wrong guy here.. he is in your corner on this.. totally.
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From my friend in Denmark:


"About the Danish nazi party: They had their own
demonstration a few days ago. Thirty people turned up.
I guess that goes to show, how popular they are in
this country. As far as running in the elections, we
do not prevent anyone from running for the elections,
as we live in a democracy. People don't like nazis,
but they don't need the government to decide that for
them. We cast votes. That's pretty much how democracy
works.

We do have laws against blasphemy and inciting
violence, and the now infamous drawings are subject to
those laws. What some people have a hard time
understandning is that we leave it up to the courts
and not the mob to convict and punish. It's called
democracy.

Interesting enough, some Muslims in Denmark are
planning demonstrations to support their country. I
think this goes to show that this particular issue has
less to do with religion, than it has to do with
poverty, illiteracy and supression in the countries
where the protests have turned violent. In those
places, Islam has been hijacked by extremists and
populists, who are abusing this religion to incite
violence against the West, and turn attention away
from human rights violations in the Middle East and
elsewhere.

People have a right to be offended and disagree with
drawings and texts, and the people who choose to use
their freedom of expression have a moral obligation to
do so responsibly and in a way that is respectful of
their fellow man. Most of the people that are burning
down Danish embassies and consulates, and threatening
to kill us all, however, have no idea what the
drawings were about, much less do they understand rule
of law, or respect for others.

I support the Muslim community in Denmark. They have
shown restraint, and, I think, most of them support a
free and democratic Denmark. Those who feel offended
by the drawings are participating in debates and
peaceful protests. That's how it should be in a
civilized society".

Interesting
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The Danish Nazi party (in existance since the time of Hitler) had goverment funding until May 2004!. That's pretty scary stuff, and paints a real picture of why Denmark has a disdain in matters of religious and racial principles.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danmarks_Nationalsocialistiske_Bev%C3%A6gelse

Here's their website:
http://www.dnsb.info/

Racism rife in Denmark:
http://www.faklen.dk/en/doc/somalia.shtml
http://www.american-pictures.com/gallery/denmark/
http://www.tau.ac.il/Anti-Semitism/asw98-9/denmark.html

Come to your own conclusions...

How sad. I've always thought of Scandinavia as a haven for human rights. It's a shame how racism is present almost everywhere on earth.
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Robschaef,

The problem is that the average westener doesn't understand the eastern mindset. By average I mean someone who lives in the west, never lived in the east and experienced eastern tradition first hand. If you tell a joke aboutsomeone's father here you've earned yourself an enemy. This applies to Christians and Buddhsits and everybody. I know this doesn't happen in the west.

Media people, on the other hand, do understand this. Jyllands Posten intended for the cartoons
to insult, I think. Why on earth did they republish them after they failed to create the results the first time?

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If you really want to know why it's the fastest growing religion, do some serious reading about it from original Islamic sources. Only then will you know why.
Take a look at this. People can't deny the truth when they see it.
http://www.welcome-back.org/profile/spaulding.shtml
Especially this part:
".. After being Muslim for less than two months, another incident happened. On September 14, 2001 a young man attacked me in a grocery store. Motivated by hatred for Muslims, he jammed his cart into me so hard that it cut my back, ankles, and one of my legs. The force pushed me into the shelf of cans, causing one of the shelves to fall down on me. As the cans hurled down, they cut my head and hands. Some of the cuts later required stitches. The isle happened to be in focus of the store security camera, which captured the man as he was about to run away. The authorities soon caught him. He stayed near me, and didn’t run far. I think he was truly amazed at what he himself had done. He later said that he thought I was an Arab, as if that was a reason enough to hurt someone. He was surprised that I spoke clear English. He was further amazed when he came to know that I was a disabled American Veteran.

He was facing serious charges. I gave him the choice of either going to jail or attend lecture on Islam in ten one-hour sessions. He chose the lectures. I made sure that if he did not come to the lectures then I would retain my rights of recourse with the court system.

That very morning, I had just read a Hadith about our wonderful Prophet (pbuh) who had trash dumped on his head every morning, and then when one morning he was not treated this way, he went to check on the neighbor who was found to be sick. He had compassion
for this person. Having read this in that very morning, what else could I do? I too had a daughter about the same age as that 20-year old man. One mistake could ruin the life of this young man. Would I not want compassion for my daughter if she did something like this? He had been a good college student and was just young and did not truly have an education of Islam. Sometimes when one does not know about something, it can be scary.

He continued with the classes and actually studied Islam longer than he was required by the contract. About 6 months later in February of 2002, he declared the Shahada. I was so very happy when I got that email from him. I had moved out of the area where he was living. He then joined the local Muslim Students Association and engaged in Dawah works. Allah Akbar!

Every day, I look at the scars that I received from that attack, and I feel happy. I remember where they came from and I thank Allah for allowing this to happen. "

When the Pope opens his first church in Riyadh, when a Muslim can renounce Islam without fear in Tehran, I'll be concerned about the middle easterner's opinions.

Why does the Pope want a church in Saudi Arabia? There are no Christian Saudis. Anyway, I promise you a church in Riyadh's most prestigious locations exactly as grand as the mosque that the Pope will allow us to build in the heart of the Vatican. Deal?

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That Guy,

If you really want to know why it's the fastest growing religion, do some serious reading about it from original Islamic sources. Only then will you know why.
Take a look at this. People can't deny the truth when they see it.
http://www.welcome-back.org/profile/spaulding.shtml
Especially this part:
".. After being Muslim for less than two months, another incident happened. On September 14, 2001 a young man attacked me in a grocery store. Motivated by hatred for Muslims, he jammed his cart into me so hard that it cut my back, ankles, and one of my legs. The force pushed me into the shelf of cans, causing one of the shelves to fall down on me. As the cans hurled down, they cut my head and hands. Some of the cuts later required stitches. The isle happened to be in focus of the store security camera, which captured the man as he was about to run away. The authorities soon caught him. He stayed near me, and didn’t run far. I think he was truly amazed at what he himself had done. He later said that he thought I was an Arab, as if that was a reason enough to hurt someone. He was surprised that I spoke clear English. He was further amazed when he came to know that I was a disabled American Veteran.

He was facing serious charges. I gave him the choice of either going to jail or attend lecture on Islam in ten one-hour sessions. He chose the lectures. I made sure that if he did not come to the lectures then I would retain my rights of recourse with the court system.

That very morning, I had just read a Hadith about our wonderful Prophet (pbuh) who had trash dumped on his head every morning, and then when one morning he was not treated this way, he went to check on the neighbor who was found to be sick. He had compassion
for this person. Having read this in that very morning, what else could I do? I too had a daughter about the same age as that 20-year old man. One mistake could ruin the life of this young man. Would I not want compassion for my daughter if she did something like this? He had been a good college student and was just young and did not truly have an education of Islam. Sometimes when one does not know about something, it can be scary.

He continued with the classes and actually studied Islam longer than he was required by the contract. About 6 months later in February of 2002, he declared the Shahada. I was so very happy when I got that email from him. I had moved out of the area where he was living. He then joined the local Muslim Students Association and engaged in Dawah works. Allah Akbar!

Every day, I look at the scars that I received from that attack, and I feel happy. I remember where they came from and I thank Allah for allowing this to happen. "
Blah, Blah, Blah, Blah

Lots of these stories around something happens to someone and they assume it is because they are a minority, or they are this or that.

Had you opened the link, you would've known that who said this was an American lady who embraced Islam recently not a 'minority' member. ( Her name is Ann Spaulding and she's white, if race is a problem) Unless, of course, if you consider a new American Muslim convert no longer American. (Freedom of belief?)

Another reason why it grows is that there is a penalty for apostasy.

Anybody care to talk about that?

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Robschaef,

The problem is that the average westener doesn't understand the eastern mindset. By average I mean someone who lives in the west, never lived in the east and experienced eastern tradition first hand. If you tell a joke aboutsomeone's father here you've earned yourself an enemy. This applies to Christians and Buddhsits and everybody. I know this doesn't happen in the west.

Media people, on the other hand, do understand this. Jyllands Posten intended for the cartoons
to insult, I think. Why on earth did they republish them after they failed to create the results the first time?

***

That Guy,

If you really want to know why it's the fastest growing religion, do some serious reading about it from original Islamic sources. Only then will you know why.
Take a look at this. People can't deny the truth when they see it.
http://www.welcome-back.org/profile/spaulding.shtml
Especially this part:
".. After being Muslim for less than two months, another incident happened. On September 14, 2001 a young man attacked me in a grocery store. Motivated by hatred for Muslims, he jammed his cart into me so hard that it cut my back, ankles, and one of my legs. The force pushed me into the shelf of cans, causing one of the shelves to fall down on me. As the cans hurled down, they cut my head and hands. Some of the cuts later required stitches. The isle happened to be in focus of the store security camera, which captured the man as he was about to run away. The authorities soon caught him. He stayed near me, and didn’t run far. I think he was truly amazed at what he himself had done. He later said that he thought I was an Arab, as if that was a reason enough to hurt someone. He was surprised that I spoke clear English. He was further amazed when he came to know that I was a disabled American Veteran.

He was facing serious charges. I gave him the choice of either going to jail or attend lecture on Islam in ten one-hour sessions. He chose the lectures. I made sure that if he did not come to the lectures then I would retain my rights of recourse with the court system.

That very morning, I had just read a Hadith about our wonderful Prophet (pbuh) who had trash dumped on his head every morning, and then when one morning he was not treated this way, he went to check on the neighbor who was found to be sick. He had compassion
for this person. Having read this in that very morning, what else could I do? I too had a daughter about the same age as that 20-year old man. One mistake could ruin the life of this young man. Would I not want compassion for my daughter if she did something like this? He had been a good college student and was just young and did not truly have an education of Islam. Sometimes when one does not know about something, it can be scary.

He continued with the classes and actually studied Islam longer than he was required by the contract. About 6 months later in February of 2002, he declared the Shahada. I was so very happy when I got that email from him. I had moved out of the area where he was living. He then joined the local Muslim Students Association and engaged in Dawah works. Allah Akbar!

Every day, I look at the scars that I received from that attack, and I feel happy. I remember where they came from and I thank Allah for allowing this to happen. "

When the Pope opens his first church in Riyadh, when a Muslim can renounce Islam without fear in Tehran, I'll be concerned about the middle easterner's opinions.

Why does the Pope want a church in Saudi Arabia? There are no Christian Saudis. Anyway, I promise you a church in Riyadh's most prestigious locations exactly as grand as the mosque that the Pope will allow us to build in the heart of the Vatican. Deal?
Both are theocratic dictatorships. I have no use for either. I'd love to offer theocrats an opportunity to spread their holy words on Mars or Venus or Alpha Centauri. We've had enough of that on Earth for the remainder of eternity.

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That Guy,

If you really want to know why it's the fastest growing religion, do some serious reading about it from original Islamic sources. Only then will you know why.
Take a look at this. People can't deny the truth when they see it.
http://www.welcome-back.org/profile/spaulding.shtml
Especially this part:
".. After being Muslim for less than two months, another incident happened. On September 14, 2001 a young man attacked me in a grocery store. Motivated by hatred for Muslims, he jammed his cart into me so hard that it cut my back, ankles, and one of my legs. The force pushed me into the shelf of cans, causing one of the shelves to fall down on me. As the cans hurled down, they cut my head and hands. Some of the cuts later required stitches. The isle happened to be in focus of the store security camera, which captured the man as he was about to run away. The authorities soon caught him. He stayed near me, and didn’t run far. I think he was truly amazed at what he himself had done. He later said that he thought I was an Arab, as if that was a reason enough to hurt someone. He was surprised that I spoke clear English. He was further amazed when he came to know that I was a disabled American Veteran.

He was facing serious charges. I gave him the choice of either going to jail or attend lecture on Islam in ten one-hour sessions. He chose the lectures. I made sure that if he did not come to the lectures then I would retain my rights of recourse with the court system.

That very morning, I had just read a Hadith about our wonderful Prophet (pbuh) who had trash dumped on his head every morning, and then when one morning he was not treated this way, he went to check on the neighbor who was found to be sick. He had compassion
for this person. Having read this in that very morning, what else could I do? I too had a daughter about the same age as that 20-year old man. One mistake could ruin the life of this young man. Would I not want compassion for my daughter if she did something like this? He had been a good college student and was just young and did not truly have an education of Islam. Sometimes when one does not know about something, it can be scary.

He continued with the classes and actually studied Islam longer than he was required by the contract. About 6 months later in February of 2002, he declared the Shahada. I was so very happy when I got that email from him. I had moved out of the area where he was living. He then joined the local Muslim Students Association and engaged in Dawah works. Allah Akbar!

Every day, I look at the scars that I received from that attack, and I feel happy. I remember where they came from and I thank Allah for allowing this to happen. "
Blah, Blah, Blah, Blah

Lots of these stories around something happens to someone and they assume it is because they are a minority, or they are this or that.

Had you opened the link, you would've known that who said this was an American lady who embraced Islam recently not a 'minority' member. ( Her name is Ann Spaulding and she's white, if race is a problem) Unless, of course, if you consider a new American Muslim convert no longer American. (Freedom of belief?)

Another reason why it grows is that there is a penalty for apostasy.

Anybody care to talk about that?

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Yes, sir. May I?

Apostasy is easy. Actually it was on my how-to-make-money list when I was a teenager. All a Muslim has to do is seek asylum somewhere in the west, state the reason as religious opression, write a book about it and BINGO! he'll be rich and famous. But they don't do it because they know it's just not right. Rather, it's absolutely wrong.
It grows because it's right. As simple as that.

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Tahloube did 8 consecutive posts! POST WHORE! [8D]

So, what does Islam have to say about post whores?



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This lack of rationality is starting to make me physically sick.I keep trying not to look,but like a road wreck,I'm drawn to the latest installment of all that makes me cringe.[xx(]


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This lack of rationality is starting to make me physically sick.I keep trying not to look,but like a road wreck,I'm drawn to the latest installment of all that makes me cringe.[xx(]

Ok, now embrace the sick feeling and imagine having to walk around like that in the hot sun wearing a black Burkah, then getting pelted with stones for having a poonanny. Have you no pity?


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