kvining - 2/4/2006 11:34 PM
NordStern - 2/4/2006 6:37 PM
In all due respect, Mr. Smith, I think your perception of Islam is somewhat limited.
"Ultimately the only people who can influence the response of the Muslim world to any stimulus from inside and outside their world is Muslims."
So you mean it doesn't matter at all how we, the West, handle this crisis?
"Those rational ones need to do what it takes to wrest the steering wheel away from the frantic ones who have it"
That's not how it works. Why risk being an outcast, for the sake of the West? Or get killed?
Concerning Bush, I see where you're going. But calling him a nazional sozialist is counterproductive, you know, a bit over the hill. He is not. I don't like him either, but a nazi, no.
I remember the last election very well. There was some talk of some counting mischief in Florida and such, but I can't recall any SA brownshirt guys running around and beating up political opponents. And the question of Sion and the Jews were very much in the open.
If Bush has in fact done anything illegal, it will catch up to him, sooner or later. That would be the America I know.
Instead of simple denial, as is the norm from Botnst and others on this thread, why not a rationale discussion of the actual tenets of National Socialism, and then discuss whether or not Mr. Bush fits them better than we should feel comfortable with? Myself, I do not see him as classic Jew-baiting "Nazi", what I do see him as is a man who has instituted a more modernized version of corporatist fascism. It is sophisticated, and slick. It works because those who control the massive corporations have slowly and insidously corrupted our government to the point that we no longer have a democracy - it is a shame that is now no longer much more than a dictatorship of the moneyed class over this country. It is achieved through sophisticated propaganda techniques, and massive amounts of corrupt campaign financing. Look at the results: defense spending, in an age where there is no longer a Soviet threat, where we are threatened by a bunch of rag-tag fuckers who live in caves and assorted wacko nations we could take out in a walk, we are going to have an 8% increase in defense spending. If one counted Iraq, the total will be over $500 billion dollars. Our economy has been delivered to those who make up the backbone of a fascist state - the weapons producers, the war financiers, the military establishment are rapidly turning us into a country that produces nothing more than the weapons of death and destruction.
Another point: in a Fascist state, the indivdual is subserviant to the needs of the state. If the state needs oil, it can be traded for the dead. All of this propaganda to "Support the Troops", to "Stay the course", especially "Trust the President", all of these are exhortations to make the needs of the state paramount to the right of individuals to freely discuss the functioning and direction of one's government.
Propagandized glorification of troops fighting in Iraq as some how serving some undefined or vaguely defined goals of the state that only the Leader seems to understand, while as individual one is forced into denial of the fact what the Leader is actually doing is occupyig a weaker nation against it's will, is pure Nazism. The Leader is constantly giving utter fantasy as his justification for a war which his followers utter as truth. If we allow this to become business as usual in this country, we will be no better than jackbooted fascists and adoring crowds of swastika waving morons.
Brownshirts? Have you listened to AM radio lately?