chiphomme - 2/4/2006 5:53 PM
JimSmith - 2/4/2006 5:30 PM
Ultimately the only people who can influence the response of the Muslim world to any stimulus from inside and outside their world is Muslims. Those rational ones need to do what it takes to wrest the steering wheel away from the frantic ones who have it, and appeasing them as they run down innocents is merely giving in to them, or, negotiating away essential elements of our Western culture, such as freedom of the press, to terrorists without actually getting anything back.
And, while many don't actually see Bush as a Nazi, yet, denying a pattern of trampling on the Bill of Rights, taking the law into his own hands, invading other countries under false pretenses, imprisoning people and suggesting they have no rights as humans, redefining the definition of torture as a means to an ends, and much more is a choice you can make for your reasons, whatever they may be. Hitler did not come into power on a platform of gassing Jews. Or starting WWII. Or any of the many of the aspects of Nazism that you find so appalling. He did that slowly. Manipulating facts, circumstances and human emotions. No one in Germany was proud of what they did and all of them would have told you when they realized it it was too late. Be careful you are not one of those. The pattern is there. Frank made it clear a mindset of "It can't happen here" only makes it more assured that it will, regardless of what "it" is. Jim
There isn't even the slightest parallel between Hitler and the President of the United States. So quit running with it. This thread is about the real phenomena of Islamic fascists. They are out to subjugate the world. They are out to exterminate anyone that doesn't agree with them.
ItÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s really irritating when people take extremist political rhetoric and actually start believing it. The US, as flawed as it is, is a beacon of freedom and opportunity for the world.
And GWB, as much as some may rightfully disagree with him, is not a villain.
Merkel likens Iran threat to Nazi era
Sat Feb 4, 2006 1:26 PM ET
By Noah Barkin and Louis Charbonneau
MUNICH, Germany (Reuters) - German Chancellor Angela Merkel likened Iran's nuclear plans on Saturday to the threat posed by the Nazis in their early days, as top U.S. officials urged a tough line to stop Tehran from making an atomic bomb.
U.S. Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld accused the Islamic republic of being the world's leading sponsor of terrorism, a charge his Iranian counterpart rejected as "ridiculous" and "outrageous".
Addressing the annual Munich security conference, Merkel said countries around the world had underestimated the Nazi threat as Adolf Hitler rose to power.
"Looking back to German history in the early 1930s when National Socialism (Nazism) was on the rise, there were many outside Germany who said 'It's only rhetoric -- don't get excited'," she told the assembled world defense policy makers.
"There were times when people could have reacted differently and, in my view, Germany is obliged to do something at the early stages ... We want to, we must prevent Iran from developing its nuclear program."
As she was speaking a few hundred metres (yards) from the Munich pub where Hitler launched his "Beer Hall Putsch" in 1923, the board of governors of the U.N.'s International Atomic Energy Agency voted in Vienna to report Iran to the U.N. Security Council over concerns it is secretly trying to develop nuclear weapons.
Iran says its nuclear program is purely aimed at civilian energy production.
But Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has compounded concerns in the West and elsewhere with recent comments denying that the Nazi Holocaust happened and calling for Israel to be "wiped off the map".
Post-war Germany, conscious of the Nazis' crimes, has made support for Israel a pillar of its foreign policy and Merkel said her country could not tolerate Ahmadinejad's stance.
SENATORS JOIN ATTACK
U.S. Senator Joseph Lieberman applauded Merkel and urged the world to take the Iranians seriously.
"From the writings of Hitler during the 1930s and Mein Kampf to the polemics of bin Laden in the 1990s, there is ample evidence that sometimes when people write and say that they hate you and ... they want to destroy you, in fact they mean it and will try," he said.
His Republican colleague John McCain said economic sanctions should be imposed on Iran even if that meant bypassing the United Nations. He said military action must also remain an option if Tehran does not bow to international demands to halt its nuclear activities.
Rumsfeld described Iran's Islamic leaders as extremely dangerous and said they could not be permitted to acquire the world's deadliest weapons.
"The Iranian regime is today the world's leading state sponsor of terrorism," Rumsfeld said. "The world does not want, and must work together to prevent, a nuclear Iran."
But both he and Merkel were more measured than McCain, making clear that diplomacy was the best option.
"Diplomatic avenues need to be exhausted. We need to hold our nerve, go step by step," Merkel said.
Immediately after the vote in Vienna, a senior Iranian official announced Iran would immediately curb U.N. inspections of its nuclear plants and pursue full-scale uranium enrichment -- a step that could give it the ability to build the bomb.
U.S. and EU leaders, aware that Russia, China and developing states on the IAEA board want to avoid a showdown with Iran, the world's No. 4 oil exporter, have said that reporting Tehran to the Council will not end diplomacy or trigger early sanctions.
(Additional reporting by Mark John, Thomas Krumenacker, Michael Able, Sabine Siebold)