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Given the variety of opinions always expressed here, what do you guys think of the Jaguar Daimler LWB 2000model.

iv attatched some pics, im thinking of buying it soon. It doesnt replace any of my cars but I think this has got to be a close competitor to a 1999 S600.
I dont think i could go for another W140 anyway.

driving wise, it is unbelievable. Comfort, handling and speed equal that of a S600 . If not more.
and its just so elegant!!
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Given the variety of opinions always expressed here, what do you guys think of the Jaguar Daimler LWB 2000model.

iv attatched some pics, im thinking of buying it soon. It doesnt replace any of my cars but I think this has got to be a close competitor to a 1999 S600.
I dont think i could go for another W140 anyway.

driving wise, it is unbelievable. Comfort, handling and speed equal that of a S600 . If not more.
and its just so elegant!!


K14ANO,

How is Daimler affilated with Jaguar ?

Is Daimler a trademark of Daimler-Chysler?

Thanks for any input.


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I thought Jaguar was Ford. Another reason that stopped us from buying one.

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Its a Jaguar, but the top models are badged as Daimlers. Main difference between these and a Jaguar is that a Daimler is Supercharged, 4.0 to 6.0 litre, rear bench is modified into two seperate seats, comes fullt loaded, picnic tables, alloys and is a long wheel base. Tony Blair isnt driven about in a Jaguar, but a Daimler!

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Gottlieb Daimler was born in Schorndorf/Wurttemberg on the 17th March 1834. His name has become ever associated with the invention of the car engine. He studied machine construction at the Stuttgart Polytechnic from 1857-59 and during that time he was introduced to the highly developed level of machine construction in Britain. In 1885 Daimler, together with Maybach began work on the first engines that were designed specifically for use in motor vehicles. They abandoned the existing conventional, open, horizontal type design with an external flywheel, and arranged the engine to stand upright with an internal flywheel, and a casting that was sealed against oil and dust. The engine's output was 0.37KW (0.5bhp), had a cubic capacity of 164cc, weighed 60kg and produced 700 revolutions per minute. After that, Daimler and Maybach turned to the problem of liquid fuel. Finally, they found the best combustible mixture was 91% air and 9% petrol with a specific gravity of 0.68 g/cubic cm. This engine was equipped with a carburettor and was built into a wooden frame. Daimler gave this engine a higher output, up to 0.76KW (1bhp) and built it into a coach body. He made his first trip around Bad Cannstatt in this vehicle in September 1886. Later, this engine proved to be excellent for driving motorboats. In 1887, Daimler purchased a small factory so he could produce and sell the engine. This two-cylinder V-engine had an output of 1.5KW (2hp) Gottlieb Daimler died on 6th March 1900.
Fredrick Simms an Englishman born in Hamburg, was on the lookout for a power source to use in his 'Aerial Flights' (overhead railcar) and befriended Daimler, who at that time was using his new engine in motorboats. Simms saw the potential for marketing this engine in Britain. He took up the patent rights and formed a company in 1893 called 'The Daimler Motor Syndicate Ltd'.

The very last Series 3 to be made was a Daimler Double Six. In 1986, the XJ40 was launched and from the start the Daimler variant was made. The body shell of the new XJ40 would not accommodate the old V12 engine and in 1993, a new 6 litre V12, delivering 315 bhp was introduced, 75% of sales of which were expected to be Daimlers. The top speed of this model was now 155 mph. Meanwhile, Ford had gained control of the Jaguar Company in 1989, with a promise that they would retain their individuality. The last Daimler Limousine was handed over in February 1994, which meant that the classic XK engine had lasted 44 years, one of the longest-surviving engine designs in automotive history. The new X300 of 1994 also bears the Daimler marque and the long wheelbase V12 Double six, launched in 1995, is one way Ford are carrying the Daimler name more effectively. The Daimler Century 1896-1996 was celebrated by the making for one year only a model called the Daimler Century, the ultimate Daimler and one of the finest cars ever built. The latest Daimlers have been re-engined with a V8 developing 370bhp.
The very latest Jaguar range (X350) launched in 2002 will not be carrying the Daimler badge. Is this the end?


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I found this excerpt in the net, I was too intrigued by the name, here is a short history. the complete version at the link.

"Contrary to popular belief, the Daimler Automobile Company is NOT part of Mercedes Benz. The confusion arises due to the fact that in 1896, when the Daimler Company of the U.K. was formed, it was an agent for Gottlieb Daimler's 1 horsepower motorboat engines. When the company purchased the UK patent rights, it retained the Daimler name. The marque has always been British. In the early years, Daimler automobiles were known for their association with the British Royal Family. Until 1950, the primary transportation of the Kings and Queens (and their sons and daughters) were Daimler autombiles. Heads of State worldwide also own and use Daimler Limousines. Such is the case of the royal family of Thailand, who were using this DE36 model Limousine with what is guessed to be a Windovers or Freestone/Webb custom body as recently as 1971. Patrick Tillery, who snapped this photograph reports:
I caught this magnificent beauty in 1971 carrying the King and Queen on an outing. They were preceded with great pomp and ceremony along with guards and mounted police. Notice the trumpet sticking out of the passenger side (the driver is on the right in Thailand.) Notice, also, the characteristic fluted grill, the sweeping rear, the smooth covered spare tire, and the open windshield and passenger windows (no air conditioning - and it's always hot there.) If you look closely, you can also see the King and Queen in the back seat. And you can also see one of the motorcycle policemen reflected in the paint on the rear door.
Another car of similar vintage is this 1953 Hooper bodied Empress model limousine on a DE24 chassis. The Empress model was fitted to many different chassis including Rolls Royce and Austin during the 1950's.
Due to an unfortunate incident with the tranmission of the primary car in 1950, the British Royal Family began riding in Rolls Royce motorcars. Today, the Queen Mother is the only member of the Royal Family to regularly ride in a Daimler, a handsome claret and black DS420 limousine with her personal mascot fitted to the bonnet. The Royal household has five DS420 limousines in their fleet of motorcars. For non-state occasions, the royal family even rides in them. In 1960, the Jaguar company purchased Daimler for the prestige the marque has developed among heads of state worldwide, captains of industry, and yes, even rock stars. Their new production facilities were a big bonus to Jaguar who was then selling all the cars they could produce."

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No it doesn't really compare to a '99 S600. I like Jags, but I wouldn't touch a XJ sedan older than '04. Their driving dynamics pale horribly to a Mercedes, BMW, Lexus. With that said there are many people who have purchased them and loved them. They are the type that would never, ever, ever do any type of performance driving.
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I love the new XJ (2004-), not so much the previous model. (You've posted photos of each btw.)

In addition to the other observations, I'll add that they're still a bit snug if you're tall (I'm over six feet). And I agree that dynamically they're not a match for an S or an E. Finally, the control systems can be a bit odd. Not so logical as Mercedes.

On the plus side, people seem to resent Jaguars far less than they do BMWs and Mercedes. Maybe left over from the days when the appropriate response was one of sympathy, for you knew they were paying dearly in running costs.

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My dad had a Daimler (1984) and it was amazing aside from having everything go wrong with it. I suppose the new ones are much more reliable. Is that the car you will buy in the pics. It looks good. British racing green is what I think to be the best colour for those cars but silver is also good. The ride qualitity in a jag/daimler is ment to be some of the best around. I'd say go for it. MMMMMMM look at all that wood trim. [:p]
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I like the jaguar xj's. They look very nice. I never knew that much about the Daimlers. I always knew that they were Jags, but i didnt know too much about them. Thanks for all the info guys.

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I always loved that jag sticking out of the hood, 2nd hood emblem behind Mercedes star. Any more good one I forgot?

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