old300D - 2/2/2006 3:31 PM
yada, yada, yada...
What is the role of the government? From your replies and I am convinced you think it is to re-distribute the wealth. Do you think the government's role is to be Robin Hood?
How does tax breaks and subsidies to industry to develop new technologies equal corporate welfare to the oil companies, or any other companies? Are they not incentives to develop new technologies? I have tried to enlighten folk to the fact that companies cannot be taxed, but any levy imposed on them simply gets passed on to you and I. Surely you can see this as fact (you are obviously intelligent). Do not tax breaks then equate to savings passed on to you and I, the consumer (and if not direct savings, then a lower rate of increases than would exist otherwise).
The basic problem with views and opinions is they are hardly ever based on fact, but on reports from dubious sources on all political fronts. I don't know you... For all I know, you could be some high-level gov. official, or even a cabinet member in washington, or perhaps an executive in the field of business. If, like me, you are average Joe citizen, then the truth is, neither you nor I have a right to argue either side of the debate. We are mere puppets of the media, be it wikipedia (a real authority... Don't you know where the info comes from?), washington post, The NYTimes, or Dr. Seuss.
I do applaud you on the use of biofuel; however, I doubt it is altruism that drives you, but your own pocketbook. I also apologize for "calling you out" with regards to your other vehicles. I was simply trying to illustrate to you that, if there is any benefit, with regards to oil, from the war in the ME, that benefit is spread out over a host of fronts. The oil companies could care less about where the oil comes from, or what it costs. Lets face it, whether it costs $40.00/bbl or $65.00/bbl is moot to the oil company. If it costs more to produce, the price will simply rise to offset the higher costs. It is the average US citizen that would benefit from the war, if our presence and endeavors there are to secure oil futures. This you cannot dismiss.
Another thing... You do yourself a disservice when you talk of companies as if they were a singularity. Companies don't benefit from any success. It is the owners/shareholders that benefit. Are you not free to buy stock and beneft yourself? Is this same freedom not extended to everyone?
Lets not drag government entitlements into the debate. Lets make drugs less costly to produce, and limit exorbitant awards from personal injury lawsuits and get our health service industry back in check. Liberal court decisions, like millions of $ for hot coffee spilled on someone, are obscene.
One last thing... You ask, WTH is my problem? I'll tell you. It is armchair quaterbacks like you and me and a countless others bitching and whining about stuff without any constructive thoughts or ideas offered. You, along with a few others, come across as the most negative of personas I have ever encountered. Hell, you don't see the glass as half empty... You see it as completely empty and bitch about why someone else hasn't filled it yet.
I have enjoyed sparring with you on this front, regardless of how futile the entire endeavor has been. This thread is,; however, growing long. If you desire, feel free to continue this via PM. Otherwise, I intend to mark this debate down as untenable, and move on...