430 - 2/1/2006 5:38 AM
myfirstbenz - 1/31/2006 9:49 PM
You are saying that the only way to prosper is to have capitalisms view of success = money and material possessions. Is that what life is all about? Does money serve basic human needs? I never said anything about zero sum, I said balance, if people or companies make billions because they are based out of our country, infrastructure, economy and people, i am saying that it is only fair that these benefits reach all. When Oil companies make record profits which is part of the system, I don't see how it is fair to the american people that the companies continue to get tax breaks when they don't need them to stay profitable.
Incomes are growing, but not equally, incomes are growing for the rich far faster than the middle class and the poor, hence the income GAP is growing. Not to mention the tax burden is shifting unjustly to the poor.
Don't worry chip, if things don't turn around I'll be out of here in just a few years, this country has become a nation of greed and pointless consumerism and waste, this is not something I plan to support by living here any longer.
Why do you feel it is fair for everyone to benefit? The corporations already pay taxes and emply people. Why should they be punished for being successful? They were the ones who put up the money, they are the ones who took the risks, they are the ones fined billions of dollars for a tanker accident so why should someone who sits back and does nothing benefit?
The tax burden is not shifting to the poor. The ones squeezed are the middle class.
I am not going to go into any more discussion on taxes because either I am not making my points clear enough or maybe some people don't understand or don't want to agree for arguments sake. If you think taxes are a punishment and not a way of giving back for your being successful then ... I am not trying to win hearts and minds of the public, I am not a politician trying to win your vote, we could sit here forever and tit for tat this issue.
It sounds like you dont think they should pay for destroyin an ecosystem because they let a drunk pilot a tanker full of millions of gallons of oil, how can i even begin to try to convince you of the benefits of paying taxes and being a responsible national or global citizen...
I used to think it was the american way to work together, help those in need, and become successful on the strengths of this country's system, I guess I had it all wrong. Apparently america is about getting what you can out of it by giving as little as possible back, and if you are at the bottom, then good luck. Good morals tell me that everyone should be able to benifit, because aside from good luck and knowing the right people, we are all equal on some basic raw natural level. Why don't we bring back slavery? Those people had work, they had food... I would hope we would all want the best quality of life for everyone regardless of who they are. Some people have shit for luck or things out of their immediate control put them in a bad social or economic standing. I guess it just comes down to how you were raised. I am an Eagle Scout and in boy scouts you learn that being self sufficient and helping others is part of being a positive member to society. I believe this. I am honestly on the fence when it comes to helping people, like i have said so many times, i believe in balance, maybe you should read all of my post in this thread and not just the last one. There are far too many issues associated with either not paying or paying taxes and the system that that can support and the consequences that society faces when we don't help eachother. Look at the auto industry... astronomical healthcare costs are in part leading to subcontractors having to outsource work or simply go out of business. If we all paid a little bit into a system where we could all have some form of even basic healthcare, people wouldn't get as sick or wait till the last minute to get medical attention thus making it cheaper to solve the problem from the get go. Does anyone here who doesn't see some benefit to supporting a social welfare system of some kind, not neccesarily ours right now, do you look at it and study it from both sides or do you just let your pundits from FOX news tell you what to think? They are arguably a conservative christian network, and wasn't Jesus a person that taught us to help our fellow man when he was in times of need? This world is going to this shitter because nobody gives a damn about anyone but themself, that is my final two cents.