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The iniquities of the Zionists in the founding of Isreal (expropriation of land in particular) seem, in the present circumstances, impossible to undo entirely. The current hatred of the Palestinian Arabs for the Israeli Jews is such that a dissolution of borders and barriers, Arab township construction within what is now Isreal, and proper monetary compensation for Arab losses is unlikely to work as a package - the Jihad would continue until the Jews were driven into the sea. There is also the unpalatable fact that many in the wider Arab world use the Palestinian Arabs as a stick with which to beat the US. This conflict is such a running sore that every Palestian, potentially, could be given sufficient monetary compensation to set themselves up for life, if the international community (if there is such a thing) really cared to find a solution. But again, even if every Palestinian Arab suddenly became a millionare and left for a life elsewhere, I doubt this would end the animus directed at Isreal.
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Nothing that drastic is needed, just some balance. Israel should still be supported, just not as blindly as in the past. Our blatant bias is part of the reason we are in this terroristic bullseye.
I don't think so. I think we would be subject to this terrorism even if Israel did not exist. The Jihadis are obeying religious commands from God to impose Islam on the whole world.
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Nothing that drastic is needed, just some balance. Israel should still be supported, just not as blindly as in the past. Our blatant bias is part of the reason we are in this terroristic bullseye.
I don't think so. I think we would be subject to this terrorism even if Israel did not exist. The Jihadis are obeying religious commands from God to impose Islam on the whole world.
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Nothing that drastic is needed, just some balance. Israel should still be supported, just not as blindly as in the past. Our blatant bias is part of the reason we are in this terroristic bullseye.
I don't think so. I think we would be subject to this terrorism even if Israel did not exist. The Jihadis are obeying religious commands from God to impose Islam on the whole world.
This I believe is an accurate summation of the problem in dealing with flat-Earthers. Every misstep made by secularists is intepreted in diabolic symbolism. Bush or the USA or Israel or secular Arabs don't just blunder, they're Satanic instruments intent upon dissuading people from God's righteous path. Hollywood isn't just crass commercialism, it is satanic seduction of virtuous Muslims. Etc. Oh yeah, democracy is also satanic. So is liberty because the onus of choice is dependent upon the individual's own rationalization, not holy scripture.

Blaming some person or other in the west for militant Islam's murderous intentions is just plain lazy and fucking stupid.

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... that Israel currently occupies territories of two sovereign nations (Lebanon and Syria) in defiance of United Nations Security Council resolutions.
Another good example:

In 1990, when President Bush's father famously declared "This will not stand" about Iraq's occupation of Kuwait, Israel was occupying territory of every single one of its neighbors. Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, and Egypt.

This hypocrisy was also visible overseas, where the media actually reported it.

What should be done? Cut back on the hypocrisy, for a start.

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... that Israel currently occupies territories of two sovereign nations (Lebanon and Syria) in defiance of United Nations Security Council resolutions.
Another good example:

In 1990, when President Bush's father famously declared "This will not stand" about Iraq's occupation of Kuwait, Israel was occupying territory of every single one of its neighbors. Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, and Egypt.

This hypocrisy was also visible overseas, where the media actually reported it.

What should be done? Cut back on the hypocrisy, for a start.
Dude, there is no hypocrisy here, Israel needed the buffer on the north because the civil war in Lebanon was just churning out a lot of bad guys. The Golan Heights taken from Syria was actually used by the Syrians as an observation post to lobb missles down on Israel. Jordan has no claim to East Jerusalem. The Sinai is not really Egytian terretory, Israel gave it up just to appease the US after Camp David.
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Nothing that drastic is needed, just some balance. Israel should still be supported, just not as blindly as in the past. Our blatant bias is part of the reason we are in this terroristic bullseye.

Muslims have been hell bent on destroying Israel from the start. Without US support the crazy Islamic dictatorships of the Middle East would have wiped Israel off the map.
And until the late 70s there wasn't an Arab country that even recognized their existence.
The Arab world always needs something to blame other than themselves for their oppression, poverty, and depravity.
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Nothing that drastic is needed, just some balance. Israel should still be supported, just not as blindly as in the past. Our blatant bias is part of the reason we are in this terroristic bullseye.
I don't think so. I think we would be subject to this terrorism even if Israel did not exist. The Jihadis are obeying religious commands from God to impose Islam on the whole world.
This I believe is an accurate summation of the problem in dealing with flat-Earthers. Every misstep made by secularists is intepreted in diabolic symbolism. Bush or the USA or Israel or secular Arabs don't just blunder, they're Satanic instruments intent upon dissuading people from God's righteous path. Hollywood isn't just crass commercialism, it is satanic seduction of virtuous Muslims. Etc. Oh yeah, democracy is also satanic. So is liberty because the onus of choice is dependent upon the individual's own rationalization, not holy scripture.

Blaming some person or other in the west for militant Islam's murderous intentions is just plain lazy and fucking stupid.

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Notice I said one of many reasons, not just THE reason. Your search for definitives has you making them up on whim. Genius!
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Nothing that drastic is needed, just some balance. Israel should still be supported, just not as blindly as in the past. Our blatant bias is part of the reason we are in this terroristic bullseye.

Muslims have been hell bent on destroying Israel from the start. Without US support the crazy Islamic dictatorships of the Middle East would have wiped Israel off the map.
And until the late 70s there wasn't an Arab country that even recognized their existence.
The Arab world always needs something to blame other than themselves for their oppression, poverty, and depravity.
You proved my point beautifully. Thank you.
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Nothing that drastic is needed, just some balance. Israel should still be supported, just not as blindly as in the past. Our blatant bias is part of the reason we are in this terroristic bullseye.

Muslims have been hell bent on destroying Israel from the start. Without US support the crazy Islamic dictatorships of the Middle East would have wiped Israel off the map.
And until the late 70s there wasn't an Arab country that even recognized their existence.
The Arab world always needs something to blame other than themselves for their oppression, poverty, and depravity.
Hey chip, what do you think of my theory? We give the Arab world to Israel to administer and there will be no mor complaining about oppression, poverty and depravity.
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