MS Fowler - 1/22/2006 8:33 AM
I am at a loss.
You attribute hatred to me; yet I do not expouse hatred. It is your ilk ( I love to use that perjorative--is there ever a positive "ilk"?) who spew the hatred. Just look at the hate-filled speech posted by "you" guys against the prsident. It is full of Hitler, nazi, jack-booted thugs, gestopo--all terms intended to inflame.
The worst term I think I use is to call you "liberals" or socialists".
Where comes the race baiting? Do conservatives engage in that? What party keeps minorities "in their place"? Which political party has no limits for minorities who embrace the basic tenets of that party? Bush, ( your Hitler) has minorities in high places in his cabinet--not "token appointments", but real substance. Dems have NEVER elevated minoritues to high office--Secretary of Commerce or HUD are not high office. Bush's long time, chief advisor, is gasp, a woman! How dare repubilcans not fit your stereotype.
I enjoy engaging in the area of ideas. Dems simply hurl invective, and emotion-charged insults.. What is the substance of the debate of the Alito? Maybe, it is feared, he might overturn Woe v Wade. Well, what of it? Ruth Bader-Ginsberg has called it " bad law". Many States are passing legislation permitting, or prohibiting abortion within their bounds as they wish, and as is their Right, just in case Roe v Wade is ever over turned. Abortions will still be available.
Why the hypocrasy on the "advise and consent"? When Clinton made his nomination, she was approved, almost unanimously, even though everyone knew she was a liberal. No one raised objection to her belonging to a liberal group; it was simply that she was qualified. The "advise and consent" was not intended to require an examination of political ideals; but dems have perverted the process. Where will this end? The same with the threat of a fillibuster--it has never been used on judicial nominations--the dems are taking us down a new road.
The log is in your eye, my friend. Perhaps there are logs in all our eyes.
The intent of my comments was not to attribute hatred to you. The intent of the comments was to point out that Rush's show, as well as the Fox News "No Spin Zone" do promote hating liberals. And it seems to be working. The Franken show Az is all worked up about seems to be trying to appeal to non-liberals who like to be manipulated by emotional appeals and the like, to try to use the Rush tactics to collect those who may be influenced by these tactics. The tactics don't appeal to me, so I listen to neither. The tactics do appeal to you, and, by your description, to the point where the tactics do not appear to be actual tactics. Your choice to listen while you drive, presumably because you like what you hear. From where I stand that means you don't want to hear discussions supporting liberal concepts. You would rather hear someone rant about how they should be eliminated.
And, you are correct. I don't find much of value personified by our President. I don't find his actions or views particularly representative of conservative principles either. And neither do a number of leading conservatives. Based on the history of Nazi Germany, its rise to power and how it gained the stranglehold it maintained over the German people, our current President is the closest thing to the rebirth of Hitler this country has ever experienced. I see no limits to the power grabbing. I see lots of manipulations and lies. A thread not too long ago posted a film clip of him lying to the American people about the spying on American citizens he was secretly authorizing without any involvement of the courts. I see a President who used 9-11 to gain special authorizations to violate our civil rights and then take liberties with these authorizations to suit his power grabbing desires. I am not suggesting this is a Republican Party agenda, per se. I do think Bush relies heavily on the unthinking support of the Republican Party membership, including those elected officials in the House and Senate.
While we are wandering off the range of this thread, the Alito and Roberts nominations are offensive to me personally because these guys are merely good lawyers. They are for hire and will argue your case if you are paying, apparently without regard for ethics. Based on this history they are beholden to Bush and his crew and will do his bidding. Merely saying they won't is hardly as convincing as a thirty year career of doing just that. The Judicial Branch exists as it does to be one of the checks and balances. A series of Justices who know who their boss is, the executive branch, make this a less effective agent to make our government function as the Constitution intended. Jim