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Liberals don't have such shows because such blatantly not liberal themes, like coordinating the group's hatred toward their neighbors for an entire show, do not appeal to the greater population of liberals. Jim


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Oh yeah, I forgot that liberal talk show that is just ripping up the airwaves and setting records for listenership. Besides, have you listened to this ever? Can you cite any particular, single group of people that are the focus of every bitch session or rant? I didn't think so. Jim
I listen to it weekly (weakly). Yes, Franken snarls and berates republicans and conservatism with every halitosis laced breath.
Az, you see no difference in the halitosis of Franken and the drugged out wheezing of Rush, in either humor or just plain content and quality of information? I would have expected a little less of a knee jerk response from you. Jim
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no they don't, but that does not answer the question.

You strive for universal brotherhood. Oppressors in power exist. Can the two exist simultaneously?
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Liberals don't have such shows because such blatantly not liberal themes, like coordinating the group's hatred toward their neighbors for an entire show, do not appeal to the greater population of liberals. Jim


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Oh yeah, I forgot that liberal talk show that is just ripping up the airwaves and setting records for listenership. Besides, have you listened to this ever? Can you cite any particular, single group of people that are the focus of every bitch session or rant? I didn't think so. Jim
I listen to it weekly (weakly). Yes, Franken snarls and berates republicans and conservatism with every halitosis laced breath.
Az, you see no difference in the halitosis of Franken and the drugged out wheezing of Rush, in either humor or just plain content and quality of information? I would have expected a little less of a knee jerk response from you. Jim
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Glad to see I bring out the best of our resident apologist for the Bush administration hiding behind that veneer of "Libertarian" party affiliation. If you noticed, I supported the claim of free speech being the high ground here. I just equate the hate mongering of Rush and his ilk with the pornographers the right wishes to censor. I come as close I will ever get to understanding their position in this context but would not curtail free speech for all to reduce the revulsion I feel. I find the recommendation to change the channel that Howard Stern suggested for those he offends works fine. I am in complete control of that and it works wonders.

Franken is no Rush. Suggesting he is to spread the stink around is a poor tactic for someone claiming to be basically open minded and honest. Jim
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Liberals don't have such shows because such blatantly not liberal themes, like coordinating the group's hatred toward their neighbors for an entire show, do not appeal to the greater population of liberals. Jim


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Oh yeah, I forgot that liberal talk show that is just ripping up the airwaves and setting records for listenership. Besides, have you listened to this ever? Can you cite any particular, single group of people that are the focus of every bitch session or rant? I didn't think so. Jim
I listen to it weekly (weakly). Yes, Franken snarls and berates republicans and conservatism with every halitosis laced breath.
Az, you see no difference in the halitosis of Franken and the drugged out wheezing of Rush, in either humor or just plain content and quality of information? I would have expected a little less of a knee jerk response from you. Jim
In contrast to yourself.

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Glad to see I bring out the best of our resident apologist for the Bush administration hiding behind that veneer of "Libertarian" party affiliation. If you noticed, I supported the claim of free speech being the high ground here. I just equate the hate mongering of Rush and his ilk with the pornographers the right wishes to censor. I come as close I will ever get to understanding their position in this context but would not curtail free speech for all to reduce the revulsion I feel. I find the recommendation to change the channel that Howard Stern suggested for those he offends works fine. I am in complete control of that and it works wonders.

Franken is no Rush. Suggesting he is to spread the stink around is a poor tactic for someone claiming to be basically open minded and honest. Jim
I don't give a flip about any of those radio or TV guys. Their Op/ed's are trivialized analyses of complex issues. Equate it with porno? Okay with me. I ain't a porno afficionado either. I'll leave both fields of expertise to those who give a shit. Like you.

What concerns me is that some jackassed politicans want to restrict political speech. You're into genitalia? Fine with me. Go with what you know.

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Liberals don't have such shows because such blatantly not liberal themes, like coordinating the group's hatred toward their neighbors for an entire show, do not appeal to the greater population of liberals. Jim


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Oh yeah, I forgot that liberal talk show that is just ripping up the airwaves and setting records for listenership. Besides, have you listened to this ever? Can you cite any particular, single group of people that are the focus of every bitch session or rant? I didn't think so. Jim
I listen to it weekly (weakly). Yes, Franken snarls and berates republicans and conservatism with every halitosis laced breath.
Az, you see no difference in the halitosis of Franken and the drugged out wheezing of Rush, in either humor or just plain content and quality of information? I would have expected a little less of a knee jerk response from you. Jim
Calmate, Jim. Indeed there is little difference between Rush's annoying puffery and Franken's annoying halitosis. They are both annoying.

I simply gave perspective to your claim that the libbies had no bathering hateful soothsayers (not your exact words, but you understand the point) In that I see no knee jerking, though I have done my share of it.[;)][:p]

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I simply gave perspective to your claim that the libbies had no bathering hateful soothsayers
Would you please offer some examples of liberal hatemongering?

I'm not denying that any exist, I just haven't seen any.

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no they don't, but that does not answer the question.

You strive for universal brotherhood. Oppressors in power exist. Can the two exist simultaneously?
Your world is what you make of it my friend. I hope you enjoy yours as much as I enjoy mine.
That is not always the case as I see it. Sometimes your world is what others make of it.......then what?

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I simply gave perspective to your claim that the libbies had no bathering hateful soothsayers
Would you please offer some examples of liberal hatemongering?

I'm not denying that any exist, I just haven't seen any.

Thanks.
I used hate as an hyperbole to mirror Jim's claim about Rush. True objectivity would see that both shows use the same tactics to support their ideology. Listen to Air America in the 9:00am hour (Phoenix programing), then listen to Rush in the 10:00am hour (Phoenix) and you'll find I'm accurately representing the case.


So.....no hate speech to demonstrate.

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From that rightwing rag, the Washington Post.

o Much for Free Speech
By Robert J. Samuelson
Wednesday, August 25, 2004; Page A17


The presidential campaign has confirmed that, under the guise of "campaign finance reform," Congress and the Supreme Court have repealed large parts of the First Amendment. They have simply discarded what were once considered constitutional rights of free speech and political association. It is not that these rights have vanished. But they are no longer constitutional guarantees. They're governed by limits and qualifications imposed by Congress, the courts, state legislatures, regulatory agencies -- and lawyers' interpretations of all of the above.

We have entered an era of constitutional censorship. Hardly anyone wants to admit this -- the legalized demolition of the First Amendment would seem shocking -- and so hardly anyone does. The evidence, though, abounds. The latest is the controversy over the anti-Kerry ads by Swift Boat Veterans for Truth and parallel anti-Bush ads by Democratic "527" groups such as MoveOn.org. Let's assume (for argument's sake) that everything in these ads is untrue. Still, the United States' political tradition is that voters judge the truthfulness and relevance of campaign arguments. We haven't wanted our political speech filtered.

Now there's another possibility. The government may screen what voters see and hear. The Kerry campaign has asked the Federal Election Commission (FEC) to ban the Swift Boat ads; the Bush campaign similarly wants the FEC to suppress the pro-Democrat 527 groups. We've arrived at this juncture because it's logically impossible both to honor the First Amendment and to regulate campaign finance effectively. We can do one or the other -- but not both. Unfortunately, Congress and the Supreme Court won't admit the choice. The result is the worst of both worlds. We gut the First Amendment and don't effectively regulate campaign finance.

The First Amendment says that Congress "shall make no law . . . abridging the freedom of speech, or . . . the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government" (that's "political association''). The campaign finance laws, the latest being McCain-Feingold, blatantly violate these prohibitions. The Supreme Court has tried to evade the contradiction. It has allowed limits on federal campaign contributions. It justifies the limits as preventing "corruption" or "the appearance of corruption." But the court has rejected limits on overall campaign spending by candidates, parties or groups. Limiting spending, the court says, would violate free speech. Spending enables candidates to reach voters through TV and other media.

Unfortunately, this artful distinction doesn't work. If groups can spend any amount on campaigns, their spending can easily become unlimited contributions. All they need to do is ask the campaign how their money ought to be spent -- on what TV ads, for example. To prevent this, the FEC imposes restrictions on "coordination" between candidates, parties and groups making "independent expenditures." John Kerry alleges that the Swift Boat Veterans and the Bush campaign "coordinated" illegally. Republicans see similar ties between Kerry and Democratic 527s.

But "coordination" is really "speech" and "political association." It's talking and planning among people who want to elect or defeat the same candidates. There's an indestructible inconsistency between the language of the First Amendment and campaign finance laws. Why shouldn't veterans coordinate with Bush? Why shouldn't Democratic 527s coordinate with Kerry? The Supreme Court upholds the campaign finance laws simply by ignoring the First Amendment's language.

All the legal twisting has (so far) produced mostly self-censorship. Politicians try to comply with the law's letter and evade its spirit. To maximize its support for Kerry, the Democratic National Committee has set up a separate "independent expenditures" unit. The unit's top officials aren't supposed to talk politics with the Kerry campaign or other DNC officials. In a recent Newsweek interview, DNC Chairman Terry McAuliffe was asked about the unit's ads. Here's his abbreviated (for space) response:

McAuliffe: Legally, I cannot have that conversation. . . . I cannot signal to the Kerry campaign what type of ads we're doing, how much money we're spending, because that would be deemed coordination. . . .

Q: You can't tell him anything about what the themes of your advertising will be?

A: No sir, absolutely not . . .

Q: Do these rules strike you as absurd?

A: Yes.

Of course they're absurd. A party and its candidates should talk about whatever they want. If the First Amendment doesn't cover that, what would it cover? It's also unrealistic to think -- regardless of legal precautions -- that "signaling" won't occur between support groups and candidates.

The media poorly describe what's happening. Campaign finance reform is a respectable cause. It's inconvenient to say that the First Amendment is being scalped. Few do. The New York Times recently ran a story on two campaign lawyers -- one Democratic, one Republican -- who bring cases before the FEC to bend "the complex rules to their clients' maximum benefit." The story barely hinted that, once candidates need lawyers and rulings to say what they can do, their constitutional protections have disappeared.

But the truth cannot remain forever obscured. Campaign finance laws must fail at their larger aim of improving public confidence in politics and government. They breed disrespect for law, the Constitution or both. If the laws are aggressively expanded and enforced -- with more limits on contributions, spending and "coordination" -- people will realize they're losing their rights of free speech and political association. But if the laws are laxly enforced, as they have been, they will inspire continuing evasions and harsh condemnations by "reformers." Public confidence suffers either way. Americans will ultimately have to choose between the Constitution and a mere law -- or watch both be damaged.
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Calmate, Jim. Indeed there is little difference between Rush's annoying puffery and Franken's annoying halitosis. They are both annoying.

I simply gave perspective to your claim that the libbies had no bathering hateful soothsayers (not your exact words, but you understand the point) In that I see no knee jerking, though I have done my share of it.[;)][:p]
I have listened to Franken's show for less than 5 minutes. I cannot imagine anyone listening for more just because, like listening to Bot's apologies for Bush, it is tedious and not really entertaining. That seems to be the consensus of most liberals because the show gets terrible numbers. Which is the point. Rush gets great numbers. But Franken hatemongering? I never heard any and in those five minutes I think I heard all he had to say. Or so it seemed. The story is similar with Rush. Only Rush wants you to really hate liberals. Same with O'Reilly and the bulk of Fox New's staff of opinion editorializing personalities posing as news reporters. And the neo-conservative political mindset can't seem to get enough of it. There is a difference, even if you don't want to see it, Az.

Hey Bot, the Brown Baby method of arguing seemed beneath you, but with that on-your-knees-worshiping-of-Rove-and-company-posture, I guess it wasn't going to be long before you used it here.

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