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And this is what I get for calling you smart! LOL...

"People who are educated rule the world." LOL... And your George Bush is no doubt Exhibit A.

Dearie, I read more than you can possibly conceive.

And I don't watch TV.

What you would profit from doing is to imagine the existence of intelligence contrary to your own prejudices. There's a lot of it around.

Start anytime.
Well, I am impressed at the ease with which you reveal your brilliance. Not only are you a genius, you are clairvoyant and telepathic, too.

With your obvious ability and common talents you condescend to enlighten us benighted souls with your obvious wit and estimable intellect.

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It's a dirty job...

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RE: So, How would you handle Iran?

Shane,
Why can't you keep on the topic?!
You guys can bash Bush all you want--but after all the hyperbole, there still is IRAN. Bush, or no Bush, there is nuclear Iran. Why can you not look at that issue?
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People who are educated rule the world. people who whine and complain about having to read....don't. Now run along to watch the telly. "The Wheel of Fortune" is on and I'd hate for you to miss a learning opportunity targeted at your level of ambition.

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And this is what I get for calling you smart! LOL...

"People who are educated rule the world." LOL... And your George Bush is no doubt Exhibit A.

Dearie, I read more than you can possibly conceive.

And I don't watch TV.

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Well, I am impressed at the ease with which you reveal your brilliance. Not only are you a genius, you are clairvoyant and telepathic, too.

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The facts, as I understand them;
Iran does not have nukes, today. When they will have them is a guess, maybe a year.
Iran's president is threatening to use them against Israel, and says he thinks he can win a nuclear war.
MAD ( mutually assured destruction) the policy that kept the US and USSR at the brink, but not engaged in a nuclear war, holds little terror for the fanatics who run Iran.
There is a rising middle class in Iran--people who were educated while the Sha was in power, who have pro-western ideals. Is this middle class of a mind to rule the country? Do they have the means, the ability, and the will?
Iran controls about a third of the known oil
reserves in the world.
China has a growing appetite for oil.

This sounds like the set up for a Tom Clancey novel!

What is the status of a delivery system for Iran's future nukes?
Will their first nukes be "suitcase" sized? Or is it more likely theu will be large devices?
Considering that the first H bomb the US managed to develop was just small enough to be hidden in a barn I dont hold much hop of Iran managing to fit them in a suitcase. I don't think Iran would use nukes unless their back was to teh wall. They know what the response would be total anniliation. The leadership is a bunch of crazies but their not stupid. The biggest threat to the US in my opinion is terror cell gaining access tot he materials to produce a dirty bomb.
How the hell can you say that? These people strap bombs on themselves, fly airplanes into buildings, and honor their children when they "martyr" themselves. The religious fervor and insanity of the radical Shiites is among the worst. They are unpredictable.

Recall that earlier generations faced down fascism and communism not just with missiles and tanks, but with sturdy alliances and enduring convictions. They understood that our power alone cannot protect us, nor does it entitle us to do as we please. Instead, they knew that our power grows through its prudent use; our security emanates from the justness of our cause, the force of our example, the tempering qualities of humility and restraint.

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The facts, as I understand them;
Iran does not have nukes, today. When they will have them is a guess, maybe a year.
Iran's president is threatening to use them against Israel, and says he thinks he can win a nuclear war.
MAD ( mutually assured destruction) the policy that kept the US and USSR at the brink, but not engaged in a nuclear war, holds little terror for the fanatics who run Iran.
There is a rising middle class in Iran--people who were educated while the Sha was in power, who have pro-western ideals. Is this middle class of a mind to rule the country? Do they have the means, the ability, and the will?
Iran controls about a third of the known oil
reserves in the world.
China has a growing appetite for oil.

This sounds like the set up for a Tom Clancey novel!

What is the status of a delivery system for Iran's future nukes?
Will their first nukes be "suitcase" sized? Or is it more likely theu will be large devices?
Considering that the first H bomb the US managed to develop was just small enough to be hidden in a barn I dont hold much hop of Iran managing to fit them in a suitcase. I don't think Iran would use nukes unless their back was to teh wall. They know what the response would be total anniliation. The leadership is a bunch of crazies but their not stupid. The biggest threat to the US in my opinion is terror cell gaining access tot he materials to produce a dirty bomb.
How the hell can you say that? These people strap bombs on themselves, fly airplanes into buildings, and honor their children when they "martyr" themselves. The religious fervor and insanity of the radical Shiites is among the worst. They are unpredictable.
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It is real simple. Iran, as the sworn enemy of the United States, will not be allowed to join the nuke club. Period. Sanctions will be useless against the theocratic regime. It will only drive the price of oil up and hurt the most reluctant U.N. Security Council members as the Russians, Chinese, and Europeans have their economies tied to Iranian oil, directly. The U.S. has not bought Iranian oil for 10 years, but the global market would go into a supply AND demand oil price surge. If anything, sanctions will only embolden any post operation Iranian insurgency since sanction only hurt the people under the dictator of the country being sanctioned. However, we have to make sure that the global perception is that the Administration exhausted every diplomatic option before military contingencies were utilized. The EU3 talks failed miserably and stalling is not an option because the Iranians are too close to possessing "the bomb". Letting Israel take care of the issue is a lame way out, since we would be blamed for it anyway since the Coalition owns the airspace between Israel and Iran. Besides, they don't have the technology to penetrate the bunkers where the 4,000 centrifuges are. We can hope to cripple the program for another five years if we hit every piece of mechanism. However, if we take the strike a little more seriously and broaden it to neutralize the Iranian terrorist leadership, we have a real chance for regime change. Operational contingencies have been on the drawing board for almost a year now; so all the libbies worried about another occupation can relax. A big part of why we set up camp in Iraq was to have logistic superiority for the upcoming Iranian military castration. March is the best time for combat in that theater. Stay tuned. [:D]
Listen, the Israelis have the BEST intelligence services coupled with the best commando units that can penetrate any theater on demand. So instead of playing YOUR wait and see attitude Mr. AMGod, you could have easily predicted the "faux pas" of just taking out their leadership. They are all rotten, I tell you, to the core. Years of brainwashing that we are evil and out to get their wealth (which is ours anyway) has developed a cadre of fearless rag heads ready to strap a belt and pull the cord. Oh, like you said, there is no reason to occupy since it will take a few years for the radioactivity to subside after we follow up with a volley of peace sticks.
Your sarcasm is a demonstration of preference to express delusion rather than your true opinion. I guess that is the best one can manage when one's whole ideology is based in delusion. I guess sarcasm can be entertaining, but remains irrelevant to my post or the subject.

Iran will be sacked and protesting about the way things are has no impact on reality other than to make others who are also deluded feel like they are accomplishing something. Feel good, but change nothing. What a waste of time.

The IMF is meeting in Singapore next. Perhaps a bunch of the libs here feel brave enough to protest over there. Wear multiple pairs of underwear. After the caning, perhaps you guys can think straight. That is where liberal democrats have their brains; genetic inferiority at its best. [:D]

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RE: So, How would you handle Iran?

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The facts, as I understand them;
Iran does not have nukes, today. When they will have them is a guess, maybe a year.
Iran's president is threatening to use them against Israel, and says he thinks he can win a nuclear war.
MAD ( mutually assured destruction) the policy that kept the US and USSR at the brink, but not engaged in a nuclear war, holds little terror for the fanatics who run Iran.
There is a rising middle class in Iran--people who were educated while the Sha was in power, who have pro-western ideals. Is this middle class of a mind to rule the country? Do they have the means, the ability, and the will?
Iran controls about a third of the known oil
reserves in the world.
China has a growing appetite for oil.

This sounds like the set up for a Tom Clancey novel!

What is the status of a delivery system for Iran's future nukes?
Will their first nukes be "suitcase" sized? Or is it more likely theu will be large devices?
Considering that the first H bomb the US managed to develop was just small enough to be hidden in a barn I dont hold much hop of Iran managing to fit them in a suitcase. I don't think Iran would use nukes unless their back was to teh wall. They know what the response would be total anniliation. The leadership is a bunch of crazies but their not stupid. The biggest threat to the US in my opinion is terror cell gaining access tot he materials to produce a dirty bomb.
How the hell can you say that? These people strap bombs on themselves, fly airplanes into buildings, and honor their children when they "martyr" themselves. The religious fervor and insanity of the radical Shiites is among the worst. They are unpredictable.
I think it may have been mainly Saudis who flew the planes into buildings. I know that they are a bunch of crazies but I really dont think Iran is trying to build a nuclear weapon with the express intention of dropping it on Israel or the USA. They could you never know but as you say they are unpredictable so then again they may not. If Iran wanted to hurt the USA then the best way to do so would be to not get wiped off the map and stay alive as long as possible to continue to sponser terror groups.

I'll go out on a limb here to say that the American public has a very strong dislike for long drawn out wars, I'm not saying that you cant win Iraq but the last war that I can recall being so fluid a situation was vietnam. I think that they want to cast out the so-called 'infidels' from what they see as their lands, are they right in trying I dont think so but I do not think that they want to try and take on the biggest kid on the block in a fist fight. They know that the American military is busy in Iraq at the moment and just like Saddam did before they are playing a game of brinkmanship.

You must also consider that there is a large pro democracy movment in Iran I know that they vote for their leader but the council of ruling mullas pulls the strings. There is the very real possibility that the country could implode due to internal presures in the long term.
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It is real simple. Iran, as the sworn enemy of the United States, will not be allowed to join the nuke club. Period. Sanctions will be useless against the theocratic regime. It will only drive the price of oil up and hurt the most reluctant U.N. Security Council members as the Russians, Chinese, and Europeans have their economies tied to Iranian oil, directly. The U.S. has not bought Iranian oil for 10 years, but the global market would go into a supply AND demand oil price surge. If anything, sanctions will only embolden any post operation Iranian insurgency since sanction only hurt the people under the dictator of the country being sanctioned. However, we have to make sure that the global perception is that the Administration exhausted every diplomatic option before military contingencies were utilized. The EU3 talks failed miserably and stalling is not an option because the Iranians are too close to possessing "the bomb". Letting Israel take care of the issue is a lame way out, since we would be blamed for it anyway since the Coalition owns the airspace between Israel and Iran. Besides, they don't have the technology to penetrate the bunkers where the 4,000 centrifuges are. We can hope to cripple the program for another five years if we hit every piece of mechanism. However, if we take the strike a little more seriously and broaden it to neutralize the Iranian terrorist leadership, we have a real chance for regime change. Operational contingencies have been on the drawing board for almost a year now; so all the libbies worried about another occupation can relax. A big part of why we set up camp in Iraq was to have logistic superiority for the upcoming Iranian military castration. March is the best time for combat in that theater. Stay tuned. [:D]
Listen, the Israelis have the BEST intelligence services coupled with the best commando units that can penetrate any theater on demand. So instead of playing YOUR wait and see attitude Mr. AMGod, you could have easily predicted the "faux pas" of just taking out their leadership. They are all rotten, I tell you, to the core. Years of brainwashing that we are evil and out to get their wealth (which is ours anyway) has developed a cadre of fearless rag heads ready to strap a belt and pull the cord. Oh, like you said, there is no reason to occupy since it will take a few years for the radioactivity to subside after we follow up with a volley of peace sticks.
Your sarcasm is a demonstration of preference to express delusion rather than your true opinion. I guess that is the best one can manage when one's whole ideology is based in delusion. I guess sarcasm can be entertaining, but remains irrelevant to my post or the subject.

Iran will be sacked and protesting about the way things are has no impact on reality other than to make others who are also deluded feel like they are accomplishing something. Feel good, but change nothing. What a waste of time.

The IMF is meeting in Singapore next. Perhaps a bunch of the libs here feel brave enough to protest over there. Wear multiple pairs of underwear. After the caning, perhaps you guys can think straight. That is where liberal democrats have their brains; genetic inferiority at its best. [:D]
You are right AMGod, what am I to question you sage opinion?
In all fairness, I must have inhaled a bit too hard and I was kinds of horny at that moment so I needed to type fast enough so I can go and slap the monkey around. Will you forgive me O Lord as I must have flushed a few million potential idiots down the drain?
So what’s the IMF gonna have to do with all this too? You mean like Iran actually cares about the IMF or the World Bank? Those people are ready mentally and physically to live in a locked state from the rest of the world if it comes to making a point or challenging us. AMGod, you need to further consult with Satan to get a better insight on how these people think.
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"Also its a crap argument. Clinton is a non factor in this discussion (pre 9-11 and over 6 years ago... come on!)."

So it just happened all of a sudden. Oh no wait, I remember, it is because Bush was in office. Yeah, that is right. All his fault. That evil man that wakes up every day just trying to figure out how to ruin the world... Not likely. That pot was brewing for quite a while. Perhaps if Clinton had done something, 9-11 may have never happened on our soil...

Back to Iran:

How about this, I think we should burn down all of the schools.
Oh wait, you miss understood me. You should let me have the flame thrower, please. You miss understand me. I am a good and sane person....

Now does it make since to you. Why do you take the side of they have a big stick so I need one too...
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