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It's weak point is that it totally ignores Canadian and Colorado tar-sand oil deposits, which are immense, but using current technology it requires more BTU to extract than one can get from it in return.
Your statement is incorrect or at least outdated. Shell recently extracted more oil (energy) than the BTU's required to extract it. I also believe a Canadian company accomplished the same feat.

Shell has some more tests to perform on their test fields but claim that if tests are as positive as they have been they expect to begin construction to open a field for commercial production in the near future.
Incorrect about what? When Shell can prove what they say, these tar sands deposits will be added to world reserves. Until then, you're just repeating marketing hot air. No wonder you believe BS like "stay the course".

Recall that earlier generations faced down fascism and communism not just with missiles and tanks, but with sturdy alliances and enduring convictions. They understood that our power alone cannot protect us, nor does it entitle us to do as we please. Instead, they knew that our power grows through its prudent use; our security emanates from the justness of our cause, the force of our example, the tempering qualities of humility and restraint.

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I'm not saying it is new. But what I am saying is that I have never really seen anybody take the points on, one at a time and prove them wrong. I'd be interested to actually see somebody do that instead of just call the guy a crackpot.
I've seen it; I'm sure you can find it in more than one place. Mostly it's been a "right-wing" view (for lack of a better term) that we will always keep finding new reserves (e.g. Arctic Ocean), we keep getting more oil out of existing fields (as price increases, viability improves) etc etc. IMHO, anything to avoid conservation, efficiency, and responsible resource management.

They don't believe that the earth is finite, essentially. And of course, a major school of thought maintains that since human ingenuity is infinite, something like hydrogen fuel cells will save the day before oil runs out. Personally, I'm gonna invest in mechanisms which harness lightning energy.[8D]

Like most things, it seems to come down to
1) what you want to believe and 2) how smart you are [}:)]
They may be right again. In a rather odd and somewhat conspiracy-theory twist, global warming is exposing huge new areas for exploration. The Antartic is much more promising than the Artic, since we know dinosaurs lived there for millions of years before tectonics pushed the continent to the bottom of the planet.

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Your statement is incorrect or at least outdated. Shell recently extracted more oil (energy) than the BTU's required to extract it. I also believe a Canadian company accomplished the same feat.
This is hardly an auspicious measure. Moreover, both tar-sand and oil-shale productions are outrageously destructive of the environment, not that anyone cares about that anymore [:(]

Fossil fuel is a horrible way to run a planet, but I cringe when I hear enviromentalists decry it, because it's their damn fault we are choking on the stuff. If nuclear power had been permitted to mature in this country, you'd be driving your electric car on .5 cents worth of current to work this morning. And don't tell me about "nuclear waste" -compared to hydrocarbon waste, which you currently get to breath every day, it's diddly. Environmentalists should support nuclear power.

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Fossil fuel is a horrible way to run a planet, but I cringe when I hear enviromentalists decry it, because it's their damn fault we are choking on the stuff.
Naah, you're just cranky.

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OMG I nearly missed this.

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The Antartic is much more promising than the Artic, since we know dinosaurs lived there for millions of years before tectonics pushed the continent to the bottom of the planet.
You don't really believe that oil comes from dinosaurs, do you?

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It's weak point is that it totally ignores Canadian and Colorado tar-sand oil deposits, which are immense, but using current technology it requires more BTU to extract than one can get from it in return.
Your statement is incorrect or at least outdated. Shell recently extracted more oil (energy) than the BTU's required to extract it. I also believe a Canadian company accomplished the same feat.

Shell has some more tests to perform on their test fields but claim that if tests are as positive as they have been they expect to begin construction to open a field for commercial production in the near future.
Incorrect about what? When Shell can prove what they say, these tar sands deposits will be added to world reserves. Until then, you're just repeating marketing hot air. No wonder you believe BS like "stay the course".
Actually it was an article and not simply propoganda from Shell.

Actually I don't care if it is hot air or not. I am not the one whining about running out of oil. I personally think these people are chicken littles. They are the same people that cried wolf on over population and world wide famine.
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Your statement is incorrect or at least outdated. Shell recently extracted more oil (energy) than the BTU's required to extract it. I also believe a Canadian company accomplished the same feat.
This is hardly an auspicious measure. Moreover, both tar-sand and oil-shale productions are outrageously destructive of the environment, not that anyone cares about that anymore [:(]

Fossil fuel is a horrible way to run a planet, but I cringe when I hear enviromentalists decry it, because it's their damn fault we are choking on the stuff. If nuclear power had been permitted to mature in this country, you'd be driving your electric car on .5 cents worth of current to work this morning. And don't tell me about "nuclear waste" -compared to hydrocarbon waste, which you currently get to breath every day, it's diddly. Environmentalists should support nuclear power.
Yes they should. I have never understood their blind hatered for Nuclear power. All the Nuclear waste generated in this country (including contaminated clothing, etc.) amounts to very little. Sure it has a long shelf life but it can be secured.
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OMG I nearly missed this.

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The Antartic is much more promising than the Artic, since we know dinosaurs lived there for millions of years before tectonics pushed the continent to the bottom of the planet.
You don't really believe that oil comes from dinosaurs, do you?
Well I yabba dabba do!!!!

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