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That's not the point. If we say some Democrats were involved then it makes all the hypocrisy of these supposedly religious men OK. When the fuck are you right wingers going to admit that your party is corrupt and worhtless? Have you no shame? Stealing in the name of GOD?


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That's not the point. If we say some Democrats were involved then it makes all the hypocrisy of these supposedly religious men OK. When the fuck are you right wingers going to admit that your party is corrupt and worhtless? Have you no shame? Stealing in the name of GOD?
Clinton was impeached for a blowjob, at least he left the country with a surplus. What has Bush done for us beside mortgage our future to China?
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What he said. The real point is that lobbying is a nice name for bribery. All politicians are susceptible to bribery, and likely always will. However, if you don't get even more offended by someone spouting all this God shit that then gets caught up in a really smelly bribery scandal, you are not fully awake. It is like a having someone pushing their views on preventing sex education in schools because it is somehow immoral to have this topic being discussed in the classroom, subsequently being discovered molesting little girls and boys.

These guys, by callously invoking the name of God gain support from the religious right, then proceed to rape America behind closed doors, and all you can say is Democrats put their dicks in odd places now and then too. It is just amazing how you can get stuck on a blow job, but you don't really give a shit about being lied to, stolen from, and being betrayed by your elected officials. Jim
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Why is it that the assertion continues that only corrupt politicians are Republican?
Why don't you ask your right wing buddies over at "National Review". Here's what they are saying about it:


The Abramoff Scandal (R., Beltway)
It’s the Republicans, stupid.


http://www.nationalreview.com/lowry/lowry200601100816.asp

Republicans are looking for "their" John McCain. The popular Arizona maverick is already a Republican, of course. But the GOP needs a McCain in the "Keating Five" sense. Back in 1990, Senate Democrats roped McCain into the scandal over savings and loan kingpin Charles Keating on tenuous grounds, just so not all the senators involved would be Democrats.

The GOP now craves such bipartisan cover in the Jack Abramoff scandal. Republicans trumpet every Democratic connection to Abramoff in the hope that something resonates. Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid (D., Nev.), took more than $60,000 from Abramoff clients! North Dakota Democratic Sen. Byron Dorgan used Abramoff's skybox! It is true that any Washington influence peddler is going to spread cash and favors as widely as possible, and 210 members of Congress have received Abramoff-connected dollars. But this is, in its essence, a Republican scandal, and any attempt to portray it otherwise is a misdirection.

Abramoff is a Republican who worked closely with two of the country's most prominent conservative activists, Grover Norquist and Ralph Reed. Top aides to the most important Republican in Congress, Tom DeLay (R., Tex.) were party to his sleazy schemes. The only people referred to directly in Abramoff's recent plea agreement are a Republican congressmen and two former Republican congressional aides. The GOP members can make a case that the scandal reflects more the way Washington works than the unique perfidy of their party, but even this is self-defeating, since Republicans run Washington.

Republicans must take the scandal seriously and work to clean up in its wake. The first step was the permanent ouster of Tom DeLay as House Republican majority leader, a recognition that he is unfit to lead as long as he is underneath the Abramoff cloud. The behavior of the right in this matter contrasts sharply with the left's lickspittle loyalty to Bill Clinton, whose maintenance in power many liberals put above any of their principles. Next, Republicans will have to show they can again embrace the spirit of reform that swept them to power in 1994.

To this end, GOP lawmakers are rushing to introduce lobbying reform. Anything that increases transparency is welcome. But lobbying reform's animating pretense is that lawmakers are all upstanding — until they come under the corruptive spell of lobbyists. In every transaction, however, there has to be a willing buyer and seller.

There are two deeply rooted sources of corruption in Washington. One is that many members of Congress believe that they would be making much more than their $160,000-a-year salaries if they were in some other line of work. This sense is compounded when they watch their former 30-year-old aides go to work on K Street for $300,000 a year. This is how someone like Tom DeLay — otherwise a conviction politician — justifies playing the best golf courses in the world on someone else's dime and getting special interests to funnel easy money to his wife.

It will be a sign that Congress has learned something if it bans all privately funded travel. If a trip is truly educational and necessary, the public should fund it; if, on the other hand, a member of Congress wants to enjoy fine resorts, he should quit, practice law (or whatever), and earn the income to support his desired lifestyle.

The other problem is that Washington makes obscure decisions that enrich small groups of people. Most everyone in Washington supports making these decisions because it increases his or her power. But if Congress really wants to lessen the malign influence of lobbyists, it should reform the inherently corruptible process whereby the Interior Department recognizes new Native American tribes so they can mint money by opening casinos, and end the practice of "earmarking" federal dollars for local and special-interest projects. It's no accident that Abramoff saw the business potential in both of these processes.

Of course, making these sort of changes would be painful. That's why it is tempting for Republicans to look for a John McCain instead

Recall that earlier generations faced down fascism and communism not just with missiles and tanks, but with sturdy alliances and enduring convictions. They understood that our power alone cannot protect us, nor does it entitle us to do as we please. Instead, they knew that our power grows through its prudent use; our security emanates from the justness of our cause, the force of our example, the tempering qualities of humility and restraint.

-President Barack Obama, 1st Inaugural address
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Wow, so deep.

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Once again, our "libertarian" rushes to the forefront to fight waste and corruption. Wow, what a hero.

Recall that earlier generations faced down fascism and communism not just with missiles and tanks, but with sturdy alliances and enduring convictions. They understood that our power alone cannot protect us, nor does it entitle us to do as we please. Instead, they knew that our power grows through its prudent use; our security emanates from the justness of our cause, the force of our example, the tempering qualities of humility and restraint.

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Wow, so deep.

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Once again, our "libertarian" rushes to the forefront to fight waste and corruption. Wow, what a hero.
Maybe on some level he is and he just doesn't portray it here because he likes riling you up. But for all intents and purposes, you can pretty much consider the "online Bot" to be an administration booster and apologist since whatever he really feels is often not reflected here.
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Why is it that the assertion continues that only corrupt politicians are Republican?
Why don't you ask your right wing buddies over at "National Review". Here's what they are saying about it:


The Abramoff Scandal (R., Beltway)
It’s the Republicans, stupid.


http://www.nationalreview.com/lowry/lowry200601100816.asp

Republicans are looking for "their" John McCain. The popular Arizona maverick is already a Republican, of course. But the GOP needs a McCain in the "Keating Five" sense. Back in 1990, Senate Democrats roped McCain into the scandal over savings and loan kingpin Charles Keating on tenuous grounds, just so not all the senators involved would be Democrats.

The GOP now craves such bipartisan cover in the Jack Abramoff scandal. Republicans trumpet every Democratic connection to Abramoff in the hope that something resonates. Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid (D., Nev.), took more than $60,000 from Abramoff clients! North Dakota Democratic Sen. Byron Dorgan used Abramoff's skybox! It is true that any Washington influence peddler is going to spread cash and favors as widely as possible, and 210 members of Congress have received Abramoff-connected dollars. But this is, in its essence, a Republican scandal, and any attempt to portray it otherwise is a misdirection.

Abramoff is a Republican who worked closely with two of the country's most prominent conservative activists, Grover Norquist and Ralph Reed. Top aides to the most important Republican in Congress, Tom DeLay (R., Tex.) were party to his sleazy schemes. The only people referred to directly in Abramoff's recent plea agreement are a Republican congressmen and two former Republican congressional aides. The GOP members can make a case that the scandal reflects more the way Washington works than the unique perfidy of their party, but even this is self-defeating, since Republicans run Washington.

Republicans must take the scandal seriously and work to clean up in its wake. The first step was the permanent ouster of Tom DeLay as House Republican majority leader, a recognition that he is unfit to lead as long as he is underneath the Abramoff cloud. The behavior of the right in this matter contrasts sharply with the left's lickspittle loyalty to Bill Clinton, whose maintenance in power many liberals put above any of their principles. Next, Republicans will have to show they can again embrace the spirit of reform that swept them to power in 1994.

To this end, GOP lawmakers are rushing to introduce lobbying reform. Anything that increases transparency is welcome. But lobbying reform's animating pretense is that lawmakers are all upstanding — until they come under the corruptive spell of lobbyists. In every transaction, however, there has to be a willing buyer and seller.

There are two deeply rooted sources of corruption in Washington. One is that many members of Congress believe that they would be making much more than their $160,000-a-year salaries if they were in some other line of work. This sense is compounded when they watch their former 30-year-old aides go to work on K Street for $300,000 a year. This is how someone like Tom DeLay — otherwise a conviction politician — justifies playing the best golf courses in the world on someone else's dime and getting special interests to funnel easy money to his wife.

It will be a sign that Congress has learned something if it bans all privately funded travel. If a trip is truly educational and necessary, the public should fund it; if, on the other hand, a member of Congress wants to enjoy fine resorts, he should quit, practice law (or whatever), and earn the income to support his desired lifestyle.

The other problem is that Washington makes obscure decisions that enrich small groups of people. Most everyone in Washington supports making these decisions because it increases his or her power. But if Congress really wants to lessen the malign influence of lobbyists, it should reform the inherently corruptible process whereby the Interior Department recognizes new Native American tribes so they can mint money by opening casinos, and end the practice of "earmarking" federal dollars for local and special-interest projects. It's no accident that Abramoff saw the business potential in both of these processes.

Of course, making these sort of changes would be painful. That's why it is tempting for Republicans to look for a John McCain instead
I don't read the National Review, therefore I do not subscribe to their views (don't know or care what they are). I am not a right winger though could be considered conservative. I don't vote for just Repubs.

You, Mr. K, are so embedded in your deep rooted hate for the Republican Party and their President, You wouldn't know the truth if it side slapped you upside your left wing face with a dead pike. You have no balanced views nor do you attempt to see things from both perspectives.

Hate is not good, Mr. K. Take a pill.
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For some reason I have a hard time taking the "perspective" of criminals. The Republican Party has so thourghly corrupted American politics with corporate money, it's not even a democracy anymore - it is dictatorship of lobbyists and corporate titans. If that's the world you want to live in, then enjoy your future of a country flooded with cheap illegal labor where you vote means nothing. Myself, I will gladly continue to hate it, and hate it with all my heart, because that my friend, is real patriotism, instead of the pinheaded yellow-ribbon moron type that has made this country the mess that it is.

Recall that earlier generations faced down fascism and communism not just with missiles and tanks, but with sturdy alliances and enduring convictions. They understood that our power alone cannot protect us, nor does it entitle us to do as we please. Instead, they knew that our power grows through its prudent use; our security emanates from the justness of our cause, the force of our example, the tempering qualities of humility and restraint.

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Stupid republicans. They think they can re-polish their shitty image bu trying to throw some shit on democrats. Nice try. See you at the elections suckers, hopefully we can get some UN monitoring to make sure your sleazy tactics don't "win" another for you.

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Must be tuff sledding being a Democrat these days.
Once Alito gets on the court, Democrat's attempts to change our country through the courts, rather than the ballot box, will be over.

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Deamcrat or republican ,they are all on the take.
If you think democraps are so honest,just name one that has never taken any money or favors for influence.I never said republicans were honest Iam just saying you act as if democraps are sweet little angels that can do no wrong.You must live in fairy world.
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