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According to CNN only one survived.

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http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/01/04/mine.explosion.wed/index.html

Initial reports indicated 12 had survived

TALLMANSVILLE, West Virginia (CNN) -- Grief and anger replaced jubilation early Wednesday as mine officials announced that, despite earlier reports, only one of 13 trapped miners had survived a West Virginia mining accident.
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12 miners found alive after 48 hrs

Only 1 survivor in W. Va. coal mine disaster
Miner in critical condition; families anguished after early report 12 survived


TALLMANSVILLE, W.Va. - In a stunning and heartbreaking announcement, mining officials told family members early Wednesday that 11 of the 12 trapped coal miners initially thought to have survived a mine explosion had died.

The devastating news came more than three hours after relatives gathered at a nearby church had heard that 12 of the miners survived the disaster. Rescue crews found the first victim earlier Tuesday evening.

“It’s sorrow beyond belief,� Ben Hatfield, chief executive officer of mine owner International Coal Group, said during a news conference.

Gov. Joe Manchin said that, “about the confusion, I can’t tell you of anything more heart-wrenching than I’ve ever gone through in my life. Nothing.�

“I can feel the outrage,� he later told NBC’s “Today� show, referring to the anger from the victims’ families.

Manchin said the state would investigate the cause of the explosion, the miscommunication and the mine’s numerous safety and health violations last year. “We’re going to look into this,� Manchin vowed.

John Bennett, whose father Jim Bennett was one of the victims and had been due to retire in April, complained that his father would “tell me how unsafe the mine is.�

Problems at the mine had been “going on for months ... and they still send men in,� Bennett told “Today,� adding that he felt that if the mine owner had allowed workers to unionize the violations wouldn’t have happened.

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Oh man... what a shock and shame.

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What a shock I got this morning
Like everything else guage, please take your time before you feed the rumor mill...
The impulsivity and the talk without backed up facts can be very hard to take whenever the news turn out not to be what you proclaimed.
I hope that the dude that started the the rumor gets his day in front of the families that lost their loved ones...
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This particular mine has received an unbelievable amount of violations recently. No way to enforce the offenders so this is what happens.
I have been a mining professional for the last 20 plus years with 15 of that underground. It is so disconcerting to see a post like this. Mining is one of the most heavily requlated industries, with an entire regulatory body, MSHA (mine safety and health administration), to enforce safety and health regulations. Underground mines, by congressional mandate, receive at a minimum, 4 unannounced inspections per year. In most large production coal mines, inspectors have been known to be on site nearly full time. Still, accidents do happen, and fatalities do occur. I can tell you that if egregious safety violations had been the norm, penalties and criminal proceedings would have been levied long ago. The fact that numerous violations have occured does not impune the overall safety of the organization. As I read it, most of the fines were non-significant and substantial, a designation that MSHA reserves for minimal violations of the safety standards, where as S&S citations build history. Repeat offenses garner further penalties up to and including 5 yrs imprisonment and/or $50,000 fine per incident(or both). Individuals are not immune either, as MSHA can penetrate the corporate veil and penalize agents of the corporation the same amount. Typically, any inspection garners a few citations, as Congress also mandated MSHA would be mostly self-funded as of the early '90's... Examples of such are a cracked windshield, missing fire extinguisher, missing lug bolt, loose machinery guard, etc. I could go on and on... I should also add that any inspector is an agent of the secretary of Labor and has the full weight of the Federal government available and can shut down an operation during an inspection, if egregious safety violations are noted. Furthermore, inspectors are rotated out annually to prevent or minimize the influence of complacency on the part of an inspector, or the possible occurence of graft.

Your stereotype serves to perpetuate the myth that mining is inherently dangerous. Danger is present, obviously... But today, not much more so than many other industries... Advances in training and equipment have served to improve the overall health of the industry. How many OSHA inspections have occured where you work? With what frequency?

Sorry to vent... I am proud to be a part of this vital industry, and proud of the accomplishments made during the last 20 years in the arena of health and safety. Today, I serve as a VP operations of a mining division. Any successful mining operator I know treats Safety as an integral component of the mining strategy. Obviously, proper adherence to safety training aided in these miners' survival.

God Bless the miners who were rescued, and God's peace to the family of the injured/killed miner(s)... Our industries' prayers are with you.
Don't let posts like this get to you. Many people on here don't let the facts or providing a complete picture get in the way of posting what they want.
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12 miners found alive after 48 hrs
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What a shock I got this morning
Like everything else guage, please take your time before you feed the rumor mill...
The impulsivity and the talk without backed up facts can be very hard to take whenever the news turn out not to be what you proclaimed.
I hope that the dude that started the the rumor gets his day in front of the families that lost their loved ones...
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12 miners found alive after 48 hrs
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What a shock I got this morning
Like everything else guage, please take your time before you feed the rumor mill...
The impulsivity and the talk without backed up facts can be very hard to take whenever the news turn out not to be what you proclaimed.
I hope that the dude that started the the rumor gets his day in front of the families that lost their loved ones...
Not sure how you can blame Gauge for this. It was all over the news that they found 12 survirors.

Everything I am hearing is that it is a miscommunication not someone purposely starting a rumor. Something along the lines of 'we found 12 of the miners' was translated by someone to mean they found all 12 alive. Not sure if the person that passed on the info was in the direct line of communication or overheard it.
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