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Im thinking this increase or decrease of the temp of the earth is just a natural cycle. The cycle may be affected by humans, but not that much...just my idea, sound right/wrong?
How coincidental that the rise in atmospheric CO2 levels correlates so well to the industrial revolution, and that the absolute levels are at a 650,000 year peak. [8)]

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The difficulty with the cherry-picking approach is that it is just that. Does the concept of a 'noisy trend' mean nothing to you?
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Im thinking this increase or decrease of the temp of the earth is just a natural cycle. The cycle may be affected by humans, but not that much...just my idea, sound right/wrong?
How coincidental that the rise in atmospheric CO2 levels correlates so well to the industrial revolution, and that the absolute levels are at a 650,000 year peak. [8)]
Please look at the figures for the amount of CO2 that has been added to the atmosphere can be attibuted to man.

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The difficulty with the cherry-picking approach is that it is just that. Does the concept of a 'noisy trend' mean nothing to you? Please show how the data summarised below fits with your evidence.




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By the way, the postulated disappearence of the Atlantic Conveyer system (and hence LOCALISED temperature reductions) relies on 'global warming' - melting of Siberian ice, increased freshwater flow into northern seas and so reduced salinity and density, which controls the circulation mechanism. Such an eventuality would refute your hypothesis, not support it.



Read the whole thing: http://www.ipcc.ch/pub/spm22-01.pdf
The IPCC are the same people that in 1990 said that the impact of man of temp change was next to impossible to measure. Then 5 years later stated that temp. increases due to man's activity was a grave danger.

I will admit that I did not get through the entire article. But there are a number of glaring items that should not pass scientific muster. The one I will mention is how Urban heat island's are accounted for. They take some number they they pulled out of their ass and built models around it. If their guess is wrong then that makes their models invalid.

I am not arguing against global warming. I am arguing that there is not freedom of thought in the field in climatology, that the impact of man is greatly exagerated, the resulting climatic changes attributable to global warming are greatly over blown, and that much of the 'work' done in this field is for a self serving agenda.
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Im thinking this increase or decrease of the temp of the earth is just a natural cycle. The cycle may be affected by humans, but not that much...just my idea, sound right/wrong?
How coincidental that the rise in atmospheric CO2 levels correlates so well to the industrial revolution, and that the absolute levels are at a 650,000 year peak. [8)]
You think that hole in the ozone layer would let some C02 and heat out..

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Im thinking this increase or decrease of the temp of the earth is just a natural cycle. The cycle may be affected by humans, but not that much...just my idea, sound right/wrong?
IMO, you're on teh button. The difficulty for me is the degree to which humanity has affected the GCC phenomenon. I am at this juncture unconvinced of man's hand. However, I rationalize a political role on the GCC phenomenon in the following way.

1. naturally occuring hydrocarbons are a limited, finite resource.
2. Controlling the release of carbon into teh atmosphere will, of necessity, increase conservation.

Thus, the degree to which GCC is anthropogenic is addressed most efficaciously by carbon conservation. This will provide a dual benefit of lowering atmospheric carbon relase by humans and decreasing teh consumption of carbon fuel sources, increasing the useful life of natural carbon sources.
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That sounds about right..

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The difficulty with the cherry-picking approach is that it is just that. Does the concept of a 'noisy trend' mean nothing to you? Please show how the data summarised below fits with your evidence.




<a href="http://imageshack.us"><img src="http://img450.imageshack.us/img450/7725/globalwarmingipcc4tr.jpg" border="0" width="483" alt="Image Hosted by ImageShack.us" /></a>

By the way, the postulated disappearence of the Atlantic Conveyer system (and hence LOCALISED temperature reductions) relies on 'global warming' - melting of Siberian ice, increased freshwater flow into northern seas and so reduced salinity and density, which controls the circulation mechanism. Such an eventuality would refute your hypothesis, not support it.



Read the whole thing: http://www.ipcc.ch/pub/spm22-01.pdf
The IPCC are the same people that in 1990 said that the impact of man of temp change was next to impossible to measure. Then 5 years later stated that temp. increases due to man's activity was a grave danger.

I will admit that I did not get through the entire article. But there are a number of glaring items that should not pass scientific muster. The one I will mention is how Urban heat island's are accounted for. They take some number they they pulled out of their ass and built models around it. If their guess is wrong then that makes their models invalid.

I am not arguing against global warming. I am arguing that there is not freedom of thought in the field in climatology, that the impact of man is greatly exagerated, the resulting climatic changes attributable to global warming are greatly over blown, and that much of the 'work' done in this field is for a self serving agenda.
This is a fundamental misunderstanding of the science.

Science is a process of successive refinement of the relationship between observation, theory, mechanism and further observation. There is no endpoint, necessarily. But usually the endpoint is asymptotically approached. At some point the difference between experimental observation and theoretical mechanism becomes vanishingly small. Think of it as a damped oscillation.

At the earliest beginning of the cycle there will be wide swings in the difference between observations and theory. As observation and understanding increase the conformance between observation and theory will increase. If we were to look over the entire history of climatology I'll be willing to bet, without prior knowledge, that 19th century theory was making far wilder swings in predictions than what we see today. I further conjecture that the differences between competing theories and observations have been decreasing ever since. Therefore I have no reservations prognosticating increasing conformity between theory and observation.

Does this mean that GCC is a "done deal?" NO! It means that GCC is the simplest explanation. This leaves open the door to competing theories. The major criterion for acceptance of a competing theory is a better explanation of observations. So far this is lacking. But the possibility is out there.

Now's the time for an ambitious climatologist to make a name for himself that will resonate for decades--prove that the current GCC paradigm is wrong!

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Keep hoping for your miracle, Bot! I think the "oscillations" will continue to damp out and converge on what we already know.

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