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Admittedly, my opinion of Mr. McCain has dropped significantly as a result of his kowtowing to GW, particularly after the brown baby crap that may have led me to violence in his place. Still, I'd like to believe that his reconciliation (if that's what we want to call it) was done for what he believed was in the best interest of country. What non-partisan candidate would you like to see as POTUS?


No personal convitions?

A man who feels that laws should apply differently to him & his family vs. everyone else?

Please elaborate. McCain is a local kid, and I probably see and hear a lot more of him than most. I understand some of your points and concur to some extent, but don't understand these...

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Here are a couple of quick examples on McCain. I can provide more, I just don't currently have the time.

1) Just as an FYI an intveriew back in the 80's (I believe) with one of the cable industry magazines talked to McCain about running for Prez. His statement at the time was that he was too extreme and could not be elected. Somepoint after that he began to change his tune on a number of issues.

2) McCain gave a speech in San Francisco, declaring he would not repeal Roe v. Wade, and when an outcry from the right ensued, he quickly reversed his position. Asked (inappropriately) about his daughter, he wandered all about the town, saying first it would be his daughter's choice, then saying it would be a family decision. Neither answer seems to jibe real well with his claim to be pro-life.
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3) The Confederate Flag issue in South Carolina. McCain did not have the courage to take a stance during the primary. Personally I thought it should have been removed a long time ago:
Former GOP presidential candidate John McCain called for the removal of the Confederate battle flag from atop the South Carolina Statehouse on Wednesday, acknowledging that his refusal to take such a stance during his primary battle for the Palmetto State was a "sacrifice of principle for personal ambition."
By Jacob Weisberg | Posted Thursday, Jan. 13, 2000, at 10:26 AM PT - Slate.msn.com
"John McCain committed a classic one of these on Sunday, when he said on Face the Nation that the Confederate flag is "a symbol of racism and slavery" and that it "is offensive in many, many ways, as we all know." After stating these obvious truths, McCain spent the next couple of days "clarifying" his position: that the Confederate flag is not a symbol of racism or slavery but rather of "heritage" and that there's nothing offensive about it at all. What explains this rather extraordinary flip-flop?"

4) McCain said Bush was right not to meet with Sheehan, telling the Tucson Citizen, "If I was president of the United States, I probably wouldn't."

The same day, McCain told the Arizona Star that Sheehan "is probably being used" by anti-war groups.

Now:

Aides to Sen. John McCain have confirmed that the 2008 presidential hopeful will meet with anti-American war protester Cindy Sheehan, possibly later today.

These are just a couple of quick examples.
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I have no problem with your first two items. Forget the 80's -- too long ago to have any relevance, IMO. In regard to your fourth point, I also have no real issue. I agree that it would have been inappropriate for GW to meet with Ms. Sheehan, but I do not see why McCain shouldn't if he so desires -- apples and oranges.

The one point you raise that is disturbing is number three, if it's true. His subsequent comments in regard to the flag could have easily been taken out of context, I don't know... For example, he may have been softening his stance by not condemning the residents of SC, many of whom may not realize the profound racist implications, while remaining steadfast in his condemnation of the flag itself. Again, I really don't know...

Before drawing such harsh conclusions, I might suggest that you spend some time listening to the man (if you haven't), rather than relying on information that is second-hand at best. He's extremely accessible and extremely candid. In many ways, he actually reminds me of Reagan.

Again, if not McCain, what non-partisan would you like to see get the nod? I think we can agree that a true moderate from either party is what this country badly needs right now.

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Methinks you are thinking of Michael Jackson.
I dunno man, the guy looks all plasticky. Obama I mean. And what if he became president? We could have the Mother of All Wars between OBAMA and OSAMA.

A single keystroke away from total anilihation, or at least major confusion.

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Thats just "BS"(hint hint, the B and the S)

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Alito......
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Alito......
Hey bud -- your name just came up at MS a few moments ago......

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Alito......
Hey bud -- your name just came up at MS a few moments ago......
I wonder why......would it have something to do with an "offensive"image???????
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It was JPK (or something to that effect) quizzing Hat about when your ban would be lifted. The response did not include the phrase "Urine!", as I recall. [:D]

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It was JPK (or something to that effect) quizzing Hat about when your ban would be lifted. The response did not include the phrase "Urine!", as I recall. [:D]
Ohhh! but Urine the inner circle still [:D]

I understood the Woodman banned me for 30 days,last I heard of it.
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