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SAN JUAN, Puerto Rico (AP) -- The number of detainees on hunger strike at the U.S. military detention facility in Guantanamo Bay has more than doubled in the last week to 84, an official said Thursday.

Forty-six detainees joined 38 already on strike on December 25, said Guantanamo spokesman Lt. Col. Jeremy Martin, who added that the number of fasting detainees "routinely fluctuates."

"On the anniversary of September 11, the number of strikers spiked to 131," Martin said. "They steadily decreased over the weeks and months until December 25, and then they spiked again."

Thirty-two fasting detainees were being fed through tubes, either through their noses or intravenously.

The military classifies detainees who miss nine straight meals as being on a hunger strike. The current fast began August 8.

Many of the detainees at Guantanamo have been held more than 3 1/2 years without charge or access to lawyers. Most were captured in Afghanistan and are suspected of ties to al Qaeda or the ousted Taliban regime that sheltered the terrorist network.
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Not sure what the problem is. If they are allowed to starve to death we no longer have to pay to keep them. Plus maybe after the first 30 or so drop dead the others will think twice.
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Not sure what the problem is. If they are allowed to starve to death we no longer have to pay to keep them. Plus maybe after the first 30 or so drop dead the others will think twice.
I sort of agree with you on this 430. And tube feeding ain't cheap either.

However, I can't get past the fact that they're being held without charges or legal representation. How can we expect the rest of the world to buy that the democracy we are trying to bring to Iraqis is so wonderful when we don't even extend our basic rights to others?

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SAN JUAN, Puerto Rico (AP) -- The number of detainees on hunger strike at the U.S. military detention facility in Guantanamo Bay has more than doubled in the last week to 84, an official said Thursday.

Forty-six detainees joined 38 already on strike on December 25, said Guantanamo spokesman Lt. Col. Jeremy Martin, who added that the number of fasting detainees "routinely fluctuates."

"On the anniversary of September 11, the number of strikers spiked to 131," Martin said. "They steadily decreased over the weeks and months until December 25, and then they spiked again."

Thirty-two fasting detainees were being fed through tubes, either through their noses or intravenously.

The military classifies detainees who miss nine straight meals as being on a hunger strike. The current fast began August 8.

Many of the detainees at Guantanamo have been held more than 3 1/2 years without charge or access to lawyers. Most were captured in Afghanistan and are suspected of ties to al Qaeda or the ousted Taliban regime that sheltered the terrorist network.
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Not sure what the problem is. If they are allowed to starve to death we no longer have to pay to keep them. Plus maybe after the first 30 or so drop dead the others will think twice.
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Not sure what the problem is. If they are allowed to starve to death we no longer have to pay to keep them. Plus maybe after the first 30 or so drop dead the others will think twice.
I sort of agree with you on this 430. And tube feeding ain't cheap either.

However, I can't get past the fact that they're being held without charges or legal representation. How can we expect the rest of the world to buy that the democracy we are trying to bring to Iraqis is so wonderful when we don't even extend our basic rights to others?
Jillian, were German POW's given lawyers?
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RE: Gitmo Prisoners on Hunger strike

Gitmo Prisoners are:

1. Not U.S. Citizens
2. Not entitled to legal representation under our Constitution.
3. Prisoners of war and should be mistreated as such.
4. Murderers or aiders and abetters to murderers of U.S. Citizens.
5. Terrorists or associated with terrorists.

Those who wish to open their homes to one of these misfits should write the State Department and maybe they could forward your wishes to house one of these "mistreated poor souls" to the proper authorities.[;)]
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Actually, I think that they are lucky that they don't get the same treatment that our SEAL team got in Afganistan. These people(?) are prisoners of war They get far better than they give our guys, and they don't deserve it.

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Gitmo Prisoners are:

1. Not U.S. Citizens
2. Not entitled to legal representation under our Constitution.
3. Prisoners of war and should be mistreated as such.
4. Murderers or aiders and abetters to murderers of U.S. Citizens.
5. Terrorists or associated with terrorists.

Those who wish to open their homes to one of these misfits should write the State Department and maybe they could forward your wishes to house one of these "mistreated poor souls" to the proper authorities.[;)]
OK, then do on them what you did to the German and the Vietnamese because no one will hold you accountable anyway:
WWII
1:Canicatti Slaughter, July 1943: http://www.answers.com/main/ntquery;jsessionid=23jo7gclw90cv?method=4&dsid=222 2&dekey=Canicatti+slaughter&gwp=8&curtab=2222_1&sb id=lc05a&linktext=Canicatti%20slaughter
2: Biscarri Massacre, July 1943: http://www.answers.com/main/ntquery;jsessionid=23jo7gclw90cv?method=4&dsid=222 2&dekey=Biscari+Massacre&gwp=8&curtab=2222_1&sbid= lc05a&linktext=Biscari%20Massacre
3: Dashau Massacre, April 1945: http://www.answers.com/main/ntquery;jsessionid=23jo7gclw90cv?method=4&dsid=222 2&dekey=Dachau+Massacre&gwp=8&curtab=2222_1&sbid=l c05a&linktext=Dachau%20Massacre
4: Salina (Utah?), July 1945: http://www.libertyforum.org/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=news_history&Number=294198 364&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=21&part=1


Vietnam
1: My Lai: http://www.answers.com/main/ntquery;jsessionid=23jo7gclw90cv?method=4&dsid=222 2&dekey=My+Lai+Massacre&gwp=8&curtab=2222_1&sbid=l c05a&linktext=My%20Lai%20massacre

Why don't you just machine gun them, blame it on a guard, court matial him and slap him on the wrist as ususal and call it the day, it has always worked...

So please spare me this crap about freedom, democracy and other sissy shit that you spin around to justify your need to cover up for your mistakes, please get on with it, kill everyone then go and watch a footbal game or something...No one belives your shit anymore, at least I don't...
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Gitmo Prisoners are:

1. Not U.S. Citizens
2. Not entitled to legal representation under our Constitution.
3. Prisoners of war and should be mistreated as such.
4. Murderers or aiders and abetters to murderers of U.S. Citizens.
5. Terrorists or associated with terrorists.

Those who wish to open their homes to one of these misfits should write the State Department and maybe they could forward your wishes to house one of these "mistreated poor souls" to the proper authorities.[;)]
OK, then do on them what you did to the German and the Vietnamese because no one will hold you accountable anyway:
WWII
1:Canicatti Slaughter, July 1943: http://www.answers.com/main/ntquery;jsessionid=23jo7gclw90cv?method=4&dsid=222 2&dekey=Canicatti+slaughter&gwp=8&curtab=2222_1&sb id=lc05a&linktext=Canicatti%20slaughter
2: Biscarri Massacre, July 1943: http://www.answers.com/main/ntquery;jsessionid=23jo7gclw90cv?method=4&dsid=222 2&dekey=Biscari+Massacre&gwp=8&curtab=2222_1&sbid= lc05a&linktext=Biscari%20Massacre
3: Dashau Massacre, April 1945: http://www.answers.com/main/ntquery;jsessionid=23jo7gclw90cv?method=4&dsid=222 2&dekey=Dachau+Massacre&gwp=8&curtab=2222_1&sbid=l c05a&linktext=Dachau%20Massacre
4: Salina (Utah?), July 1945: http://www.libertyforum.org/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=news_history&Number=294198 364&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=21&part=1


Vietnam
1: My Lai: http://www.answers.com/main/ntquery;jsessionid=23jo7gclw90cv?method=4&dsid=222 2&dekey=My+Lai+Massacre&gwp=8&curtab=2222_1&sbid=l c05a&linktext=My%20Lai%20massacre

Why don't you just machine gun them, blame it on a guard, court matial him and slap him on the wrist as ususal and call it the day, it has always worked...

So please spare me this crap about freedom, democracy and other sissy shit that you spin around to justify your need to cover up for your mistakes, please get on with it, kill everyone then go and watch a footbal game or something...No one belives your shit anymore, at least I don't...
I sense a little hostility in you Shabah.

I am not suggesting we harm these people directly. Just give them the option of exercising their free will and participate in democracy. What better way to show them the freedoms they can enjoy and the choices they can make by honoring the desire to starve themselves to death. Offer them food and water and let them make the choice whether to partake or not.
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Gitmo Prisoners are:

1. Not U.S. Citizens
2. Not entitled to legal representation under our Constitution.
3. Prisoners of war and should be mistreated as such.
4. Murderers or aiders and abetters to murderers of U.S. Citizens.
5. Terrorists or associated with terrorists.

Those who wish to open their homes to one of these misfits should write the State Department and maybe they could forward your wishes to house one of these "mistreated poor souls" to the proper authorities.[;)]
OK, then do on them what you did to the German and the Vietnamese because no one will hold you accountable anyway:
WWII
1:Canicatti Slaughter, July 1943: http://www.answers.com/main/ntquery;jsessionid=23jo7gclw90cv?method=4&dsid=222 2&dekey=Canicatti+slaughter&gwp=8&curtab=2222_1&sb id=lc05a&linktext=Canicatti%20slaughter
2: Biscarri Massacre, July 1943: http://www.answers.com/main/ntquery;jsessionid=23jo7gclw90cv?method=4&dsid=222 2&dekey=Biscari+Massacre&gwp=8&curtab=2222_1&sbid= lc05a&linktext=Biscari%20Massacre
3: Dashau Massacre, April 1945: http://www.answers.com/main/ntquery;jsessionid=23jo7gclw90cv?method=4&dsid=222 2&dekey=Dachau+Massacre&gwp=8&curtab=2222_1&sbid=l c05a&linktext=Dachau%20Massacre
4: Salina (Utah?), July 1945: http://www.libertyforum.org/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=news_history&Number=294198 364&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=21&part=1


Vietnam
1: My Lai: http://www.answers.com/main/ntquery;jsessionid=23jo7gclw90cv?method=4&dsid=222 2&dekey=My+Lai+Massacre&gwp=8&curtab=2222_1&sbid=l c05a&linktext=My%20Lai%20massacre

Why don't you just machine gun them, blame it on a guard, court matial him and slap him on the wrist as ususal and call it the day, it has always worked...

So please spare me this crap about freedom, democracy and other sissy shit that you spin around to justify your need to cover up for your mistakes, please get on with it, kill everyone then go and watch a footbal game or something...No one belives your shit anymore, at least I don't...
I sense a little hostility in you Shabah.

I am not suggesting we harm these people directly. Just give them the option of exercising their free will and participate in democracy. What better way to show them the freedoms they can enjoy and the choices they can make by honoring the desire to starve themselves to death. Offer them food and water and let them make the choice whether to partake or not.
430 I would go on a hunger strike myself if I was imprisoned without due process, especailly when there is no way to have a voice or adequate representation.
I prefer to die then being subject to humiliation no matter if I am guilty or not of the crimes I am not chaged with...
430, there is no hostility here, this is a sad state when people who pretend to be civilised can't even see or do what's right...
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Due process, for enemy combatants?

They're due regular meals, shelter, religious observation, and visits by Red Cross until hostilities end or until the captors release them and the captor's discretion.

I'm sure that the enemy treats tehir prisoners in an equally humane manner, the obligation of all combatants.

Look it up.

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