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Even Christ would've said, Jesus!

NEW YORK: A Manhattan man’s holiday spirits soared to celestial heights on Friday when a judge gave him permission to change his name to Jesus Christ.

Jose Luis Espinal, 42, said he was "happy" and "grateful" that the judge approved the change, effective immediately. Espinal said he was moved to seek the name change about a year ago when it dawned on him, "I am the person that is that name." Espinal, who acted as his own lawyer, got the change approved by Manhattan civil court judge Diane Lebedeff, who said she was "satisfied that this application is neither novel, nor would granting it pose practical problems".

The judge said name change applications usually were not denied just because the change might cause practical difficulties or be thought unwise, as long as a person with the same name did not object to the proposed change. She cited a 2001 Utah case in which a man legally changed his name to ‘Santa Claus’ and a Washington, DC, case earlier this year in which a name change applicant obtained a driver’s license and social security card in the name of 'Jesus Christ'.

The judge compared those cases with that of actor Peter Lorre’s widow, who objected to a man who said he was the actor’s relative, changing his name to ‘Peter Lorie’. Although laws differ by jurisdiction, the judge said, there seemed to be a nationwide consensus that a name could not be changed to a number. She cited a South Dakota court ruling against a change to '1069' and a California court rejecting ‘III’ as a name.

The judge said she held a hearing in which Espinal, who also uses the last name Tejeda, testified. She said he was aware of the "common law right to assume another name without legal proceedings so long as the change is not made to deceive or perpetrate a fraud or to avoid an obligation" but wanted to go the formal route anyway.

The judge said Espinal’s "reasons were primarily those applicable to his own private religious beliefs and he stated no desire to use his proposed name to secure publicity, to proselytise, to fund-raise or advise others that he had been cloaked by the courts or government with a religious authority

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RE: Even Christ would've said, Jesus!

Quick question.
Why do people who are f*&#ing nuts always want to act as their own lawyer?
You know, I realize you spent 7 grueling years at university focused on one profession, only to then pass an intensive Bar exam and then spend years as a public defender honing your skills and eventually becoming a partner in a law firm.
But I see martians in the butter dish so I shall not be in need of your sevices. I SAID GOOD DAY, SIR!!

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heh heh the crazed man who ran me down in his 1982 stomach bile LTD tried to be his own lawyer the first time we went to court.

the judge had to explain to him that this was a serious matter and they gave him a THREE MONTH extension to find a lawyer.

later whenever we actually went to court-- he said one word.


he paid me 5, sometimes 10 dollars a week for doing 3500 dollars of damage to my car. it took him 8 *years* to pay to fix the car. no insurance would cover it since it was intentitonal.

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RE: Even Christ would've said, Jesus!

firstmb: I wonder how a similarly minded Muslim fuckwit with a wish to call himself 'Allah' would get on in an Iranian court room.
Or let's try a German wanting to be called Adolf Hitler.
A change to Bill Gates could surely produce the odd gratuitous benefit.
Conversely, I feel sorry for all the birth named Michael Jacksons that live out there.
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Wealth from worship
Dec 20th 2005
From The Economist print edition
An economist finds that going to church is more than its own reward
AT CHRISTMAS, many people do things they would never dream of the rest of the year, from giving presents to getting drunk. Some even go to church. Attendance soars, as millions of once-a-year worshippers fill the pews. In Britain, where most weeks fewer than one person in ten goes to church, attendance more than triples. Even in America, where two-fifths of the people say they go frequently, the share climbs in December.
Some of the occasional churchgoers must wonder whether they might benefit from turning up more often. If they did so, they could gain more than spiritual nourishment. Jonathan Gruber, an economist at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, claims that regular religious participation leads to better education, higher income and a lower chance of divorce. His results* (based on data covering non-Hispanic white Americans of several Christian denominations, other faiths and none) imply that doubling church attendance raises someone's income by almost 10%.
The idea that religion can bring material advantages has a distinguished history. A century ago Max Weber argued that the Protestant work ethic lay behind Europe's prosperity. More recently Robert Barro, a professor at Harvard, has been examining the links between religion and economic growth (his work was reviewed here in November 2003). At the microeconomic level, several studies have concluded that religious participation is associated with lower rates of crime, drug use and so forth. Richard Freeman, another Harvard economist, found 20 years ago that churchgoing black youths were more likely to attend school and less likely to commit crimes or use drugs.
Until recently, however, there was little quantitative research on whether religion affects income directly and if so, by how much. A big obstacle is the difficulty of disentangling cause and effect. That frequent churchgoers have higher incomes than non-churchgoers does not prove that religion made them richer. It might be that richer people are likelier to go to church. Or unrelated traits, such as greater ambition or personal discipline, could lead people both to go to church and also to succeed in their work.
To distinguish cause from coincidence, Mr Gruber uses information on the ethnic mix of neighbourhoods and congregations. Sociologists have long argued that people are more likely to go to church if their neighbours share their faith. Thus Poles in Boston (which has lots of Italian and Irish Catholics) are more likely to attend mass than Poles in Minneapolis (which has more Scandinavian Protestants). Measuring the density of nationalities that share a religion in a particular city can therefore be a good predictor of church attendance.
But ethnic density is not wholly independent of income. Studies have found that people who live with lots of others of the same ethnic origin tend to be worse off than those who are not “ghettoised�. So Mr Gruber excludes an individual's own group from the measures, and instead calculates the density of “co-religionists�, the proportion of the population that shares your religion but not your race.
According to Mr Gruber's calculations, a 10% increase in the density of co-religionists leads to an 8.5% rise in churchgoing. Once he has controlled for other inter-city differences, Mr Gruber finds that a 10% increase in the density of co-religionists leads to a 0.9% rise in income. In other words, because there are lots of non-Polish Catholics in Boston and few in Minnesota, Poles in Boston both go to church more often and are materially better off relative to, say, Swedes in Boston than Poles in Minnesota relative to Swedes in Minnesota.
Mr Gruber finds little evidence that living near different ethnic groups of the same faith affects any other civic activity. Poles in Boston are no more likely to join secular organisations than Poles in Minnesota. Since general differences between cities are already controlled for, that leads him to conclude that it must be religious attendance that is driving the differences in income.
Looking for a cause
Other economists, though they think Mr Gruber's approach is clever, are not sure that he has established a causal link between religious attendance and wealth. So how might churchgoing make you richer? Mr Gruber offers several possibilities. One plausible idea is that going to church yields “social capital�, a web of relationships that fosters trust. Economists think such ties can be valuable, because they make business dealings smoother and transactions cheaper. Churchgoing may simply be an efficient way of creating them.
Another possibility is that a church's members enjoy mutual emotional and (maybe) financial insurance. That allows them to recover more quickly from setbacks, such as the loss of a job, than they would without the support of fellow parishioners. Or perhaps religion and wealth are linked through education. Mr Gruber's results suggest that higher church attendance leads to more years at school and less chance of dropping out of college. A vibrant church might also boost the number of religious schools, which in turn could raise academic achievement.
Finally, religious faith itself might be the channel through which churchgoers become richer. Perhaps, Mr Gruber muses, the faithful may be “less stressed out� about life's daily travails and thus better equipped for success. This may make religion more appealing to some of those who turn up only once a year. But given that Jesus warned his followers against storing up treasures on earth, you might think that this wasn't the motivation for going to church that he had in mind.

* “Religious Market Structure, Religious Participation and Outcomes: Is Religion Good for You?�, NBER Working Paper 11377, May 2005
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RE: Even Christ would've said, Jesus!

Pretty interesting. In UK religious schools produce better results than non-religious schools, and parents (of whatever relgious persuasion) try to get children enrolled in the local Catholic or C of England school if they can. I went to a catholic school (scots-irish background) but it was mainly a PITA, even with the bonus of more holidays; things must have changed since my day.

One other reason why churchgoing might lead to more income is by creating a more positive outlook on life; most of the commited Christians I know are very happy with life (but many of the agnostics and atheists are miserable). This must help in coping with hassle at work.
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Botnst - 12/28/2005 4:28 PM
AT CHRISTMAS, many people do things they would never dream of the rest of the year, from giving presents to getting drunk.
Never dream? This person lives on another planet.

And btw, Christ would have said "Bejesus" not "Jesus".

Don't ask why, religion isn't supposed to be logical.
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