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Nice try! But apparently the NY Times held off reporting it for a year and then still ommitted technical details of how the spying is done.

Former Democratic House staffer David Sirota rips the NYT over the story:

"The story of President Bush deliberately breaking the law to create a domestic spy operation is a lot of different things: it is a tale of power abuse, arrogance, and contempt for the law by an out-of-control president. But it is also a story of how today's major media behave with near total deference to power and its own profit motive. What we are watching, even in the seemingly small details of the coverage, is no less than the media's complicity in helping establish a quasi-legal framework for what was a clearly illegal abuse of government power. It is in the clearest sense the media being used as tools of state power in overriding the very laws that are supposed to confine state power.

"You might be thinking, 'How is that possible? Didn't the New York Times print the story exposing the surveillance program, and doesn't that show the media challenges power?'

"Well, not really, when you consider that the Times actually held the story for a year. As the Washington Post reports, the Times' essentially held the story because of exactly what I said: deference to power, and its own bottom line. First, deference: the Times editors now tell us they held the story because the White House told them to. Then, profit: we learn that what changed between now and a year ago was that a Times reporter, James Risen, is about to publish a book about the entire affair and thus publishing the story now will mean maximum pre-sale buzz in January when the book is released - a key for any big book sales.

"But even more interesting than these big embarrassing clues about the media's motives are the very small ones. Notice, for instance, that in describing the President's clearly illegal behavior, the media are parroting the White House's terminology - terminology specifically crafted to make it sound as if Bush was operating on quasi-legal grounds."


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Sounds like what I said only longer.

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Bad,bad NT Times! How dare you point out the prez is violating the law!

Recall that earlier generations faced down fascism and communism not just with missiles and tanks, but with sturdy alliances and enduring convictions. They understood that our power alone cannot protect us, nor does it entitle us to do as we please. Instead, they knew that our power grows through its prudent use; our security emanates from the justness of our cause, the force of our example, the tempering qualities of humility and restraint.

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Bad,bad NT Times! How dare you point out the prez is violating the law!
Found guilty by the N.Y. Times.
Just so the author could sell a book.

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Bad,bad NT Times! How dare you point out the prez is violating the law!
Found guilty by the N.Y. Times.
Just so the author could sell a book.
So what should be the punishment guage?
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Bad,bad NT Times! How dare you point out the prez is violating the law!
Found guilty by the N.Y. Times.
Just so the author could sell a book.
Actually I think its disgusting that the NY Times sat on a story about the president operating outside of the law for a year and only got off the dime when there was a book to sell.

Endangering US security (which is doubtful) for the sake of US liberty is a fine choice. I hope they make that choice every time, whether there's a book to sell or not.
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It is not illegal to collect domestic intelligence. It is how information is gathered and how it is used that invites legal questions. For example, the govt cannot tap into a specific phone line without a warrant, but it can record all communications between microwave relay stations since it is broadcasted over public airwaves. Legal "spying" can be abused, but on the whole the gov't is only interested and has the resources to investigate a very few individuals involved in certain questionable activities. I know what the Gov't is capable of and I don't lose sleep over it.
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Legal "spying" can be abused, but on the whole the gov't is only interested and has the resources to investigate a very few individuals involved in certain questionable activities. I know what the Gov't is capable of and I don't lose sleep over it.
Based on what I know of the government's capability to eavesdrop, I agree with you. Its not a personal threat to me, but how far down this road can we head before we start to lose sleep?
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Legal "spying" can be abused, but on the whole the gov't is only interested and has the resources to investigate a very few individuals involved in certain questionable activities. I know what the Gov't is capable of and I don't lose sleep over it.
Based on what I know of the government's capability to eavesdrop, I agree with you. Its not a personal threat to me, but how far down this road can we head before we start to lose sleep?
I only inserted the head said the rapist...
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