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post #61 of 106 (permalink) Old 12-21-2005, 03:59 PM
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Well then if you acknowledge Zarqawi is a terrorist you should have no problem with my statement that thousands of terrorists have been killed.
As for US soldiers, they're definitely not terrorists.
Freeing Iraq from the Baathist butchers was never going to be a clean operation but the Iraqi people seem to be happy that they're free of that. And over time it'll be quite clear this was a very positive thing for all parties involved (except for the terrorists of course).
Eek, let's pare this down a bit.

Exactly Shabah, how can you determine if people are terrorists unless you have courts? Sure, thousands of people have been killed, but last I heard Zarqawi was not among them. And it's easy to say our soldiers are not terrorists because you are not on the other end of their weapons. What about the Iraqi civilians? For one second, just try to put yourself in their position. Doesn't sound like you can; that's too bad.


Huh? So you're saying the only entity capable of judging what is or isn't a terrorist is a court?
Legally, yes.

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Every American citizen is entitled to their opinion regarding "giving" up a little bit of freedom for the greater good.

Maybe this man's opinion is worth something!?

"They that give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety"

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Every American citizen is entitled to their opinion regarding "giving" up a little bit of freedom for the greater good.

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"They that give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety"

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Well then if you acknowledge Zarqawi is a terrorist you should have no problem with my statement that thousands of terrorists have been killed.
As for US soldiers, they're definitely not terrorists.
Freeing Iraq from the Baathist butchers was never going to be a clean operation but the Iraqi people seem to be happy that they're free of that. And over time it'll be quite clear this was a very positive thing for all parties involved (except for the terrorists of course).
Eek, let's pare this down a bit.

Exactly Shabah, how can you determine if people are terrorists unless you have courts? Sure, thousands of people have been killed, but last I heard Zarqawi was not among them. And it's easy to say our soldiers are not terrorists because you are not on the other end of their weapons. What about the Iraqi civilians? For one second, just try to put yourself in their position. Doesn't sound like you can; that's too bad.


Huh? So you're saying the only entity capable of judging what is or isn't a terrorist is a court?
Legally, yes.

That's absurd beyond words.
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Every American citizen is entitled to their opinion regarding "giving" up a little bit of freedom for the greater good.

Maybe this man's opinion is worth something!?

"They that give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety"

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Could be his blood is more red than yours too![^]
He da man.....

I'm a little confused by your interest in American civil liberties. Are you an American? And are you in the US? The coordinates in your profile are Saudi, right?





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Every American citizen is entitled to their opinion regarding "giving" up a little bit of freedom for the greater good.

Maybe this man's opinion is worth something!?

"They that give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety"

Benjamin Franklin

Could be his blood is more red than yours too![^]
Hello, Asshole
You can't even get a quote right.




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Every American citizen is entitled to their opinion regarding "giving" up a little bit of freedom for the greater good.

Maybe this man's opinion is worth something!?

"They that give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety"

Benjamin Franklin

Could be his blood is more red than yours too![^]
He da man.....

I'm a little confused by your interest in American civil liberties. Are you an American? And are you in the US? The coordinates in your profile are Saudi, right?




Yeah, he's the Yellow Rose of Mecca.

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Every American citizen is entitled to their opinion regarding "giving" up a little bit of freedom for the greater good.

Maybe this man's opinion is worth something!?

"They that give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety"

Benjamin Franklin

Could be his blood is more red than yours too![^]
He da man.....

I'm a little confused by your interest in American civil liberties. Are you an American? And are you in the US? The coordinates in your profile are Saudi, right?




Why not have interest in the history of the civil liberties of the country that's about to take over the world? I want to learn so I can become a good and knowldegeable collaborator... What's wrong with that? Don't you want the future rulers of your extended empire to replicate you in every way?

Ps. Jokes aside I have respect for your fouding fathers, they were visonaries with no need for Fox or CNN to tell them about what works and what does not... That's the magic of Ben Franklin and others, yes they are my heros, but not as much as John Wayne....
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Every American citizen is entitled to their opinion regarding "giving" up a little bit of freedom for the greater good.

Maybe this man's opinion is worth something!?

"They that give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety"

Benjamin Franklin

Could be his blood is more red than yours too![^]
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You can't even get a quote right.
Sorry dick,my memory ain't quite what it used to be.Perhaps I should cut and paste just like you!

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Every American citizen is entitled to their opinion regarding "giving" up a little bit of freedom for the greater good.

Maybe this man's opinion is worth something!?

"They that give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety"

Benjamin Franklin

Could be his blood is more red than yours too![^]
He da man.....

I'm a little confused by your interest in American civil liberties. Are you an American? And are you in the US? The coordinates in your profile are Saudi, right?




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There's a yellow rose in Jeddah, that from her I am going to flee,
Nobody else could miss with her, not even me.
She cried so when I left her, it like cut a fart,
And if I ever find her, I will sell myself to Walmart.

She's the sweetest little rosebud that ever blew,
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You may spank your Clementine, and do the Rosie
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