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http://www.southcoasttoday.com/daily/12-05/12-17-05/a09lo650.htm

I think it is better to stay ignorant and avoid being probed, what do you think?

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Agents' visit chills UMass Dartmouth senior
By AARON NICODEMUS, Standard-Times staff writer

NEW BEDFORD -- A senior at UMass Dartmouth was visited by federal agents two months ago, after he requested a copy of Mao Tse-Tung's tome on Communism called "The Little Red Book."
Two history professors at UMass Dartmouth, Brian Glyn Williams and Robert Pontbriand, said the student told them he requested the book through the UMass Dartmouth library's interlibrary loan program.
The student, who was completing a research paper on Communism for Professor Pontbriand's class on fascism and totalitarianism, filled out a form for the request, leaving his name, address, phone number and Social Security number. He was later visited at his parents' home in New Bedford by two agents of the Department of Homeland Security, the professors said.
The professors said the student was told by the agents that the book is on a "watch list," and that his background, which included significant time abroad, triggered them to investigate the student further.
"I tell my students to go to the direct source, and so he asked for the official Peking version of the book," Professor Pontbriand said. "Apparently, the Department of Homeland Security is monitoring inter-library loans, because that's what triggered the visit, as I understand it."
Although The Standard-Times knows the name of the student, he is not coming forward because he fears repercussions should his name become public. He has not spoken to The Standard-Times.
The professors had been asked to comment on a report that President Bush had authorized the National Security Agency to spy on as many as 500 people at any given time since 2002 in this country.
The eavesdropping was apparently done without warrants.
The Little Red Book, is a collection of quotations and speech excerpts from Chinese leader Mao Tse-Tung.
In the 1950s and '60s, during the Cultural Revolution in China, it was required reading. Although there are abridged versions available, the student asked for a version translated directly from the original book.
The student told Professor Pontbriand and Dr. Williams that the Homeland Security agents told him the book was on a "watch list." They brought the book with them, but did not leave it with the student, the professors said.
Dr. Williams said in his research, he regularly contacts people in Afghanistan, Chechnya and other Muslim hot spots, and suspects that some of his calls are monitored.
"My instinct is that there is a lot more monitoring than we think," he said.
Dr. Williams said he had been planning to offer a course on terrorism next semester, but is reconsidering, because it might put his students at risk.
"I shudder to think of all the students I've had monitoring al-Qaeda Web sites, what the government must think of that," he said. "Mao Tse-Tung is completely harmless."
Do you think it is unAmerican to read up or research sensitive topics?

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damn brother.. thanks for digging that up...

total bogus.. can we say mccarthyism? we probably ought to have a book burning or two.. those are always a nice move..
i can't beleive we are scared of knowledge now but then we got the intelligent design team working on closing our brains off to anything outside of the bible.

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To answer your question. No. I do not think it is unAmerican to read up on or research sensitive or taboo topics.

No one should care if he reads the 'Little Red Book'. I could looking into the student if he fit this profile of theirs and had purchased something like the Anarchists Cookbook.
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To answer your question. No. I do not think it is unAmerican to read up on or research sensitive or taboo topics.

No one should care if he reads the 'Little Red Book'. I could looking into the student if he fit this profile of theirs and had purchased something like the Anarchists Cookbook.
So why is tax dollar allocated for such inquisitory body? I would understand if the people had agreed that the government in these trying times where they feel threatened by Saddam's powerful armies that it should revoke your normal rights until the next millennium when the bad guys are gone, evil is vanquished and la la land is restored…
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To answer your question. No. I do not think it is unAmerican to read up on or research sensitive or taboo topics.

No one should care if he reads the 'Little Red Book'. I could looking into the student if he fit this profile of theirs and had purchased something like the Anarchists Cookbook.
so one book is ok but not another?



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so one book is ok but not another?
I don't think you can give blanket protection to all info,
just because it's hidden between the sacred covers of a book?

What about a book full of kiddie porn?
What about something really evil, like the Quran?
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so one book is ok but not another?
I don't think you can give blanket protection to all info,
just because it's hidden between the sacred covers of a book?

What about a book full of kiddie porn?
What about something really evil, like the Quran?
Oh yeah, give us your take about the Quran, let me see intelligence emanating through your response....
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Shit you don't even have to borrow a book, look what a little doodling will get you....
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-doodle16dec16,1,7828660.story?coll=la-headlines-california

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# Rights groups say the district didn't notify the boy's parents before he was interviewed.

By Eric Bailey, Times Staff Writer

SACRAMENTO — Civil rights groups criticized the FBI and a suburban school district Thursday for allowing federal agents this fall to question a 16-year-old high school student who had doodled "PLO" on his binder two years ago.

A pair of FBI agents interviewed Munir Mario Rashed, a junior at Calvine High School, about the Palestine Liberation Organization and whether he had pictures of suicide bombers stored on his cellphone.


Munir, a fourth-generation Palestinian American, said he told agents that the only photo he carried on his phone's screen was of a mosque.

"I was scared," he said Thursday, recalling the Sept. 27 meeting. "I didn't know what was going on or what I had done wrong."

The Lawyers Committee for Civil Rights and the Council on American-Islamic Relations of Sacramento sent a letter of protest Thursday to the Elk Grove School District, complaining that administrators had violated a district policy requiring that parents be notified before law enforcement officials interview a student.

"He's certainly no terrorist," said Shirin Sinnar, one of the attorneys raising concerns about the incident.

"This is just a high school student expressing support for a Palestinian group," Sinnar said. "For that to become the basis for an FBI interview two years later is pretty startling."

Attorneys representing the boy have asked the district to take disciplinary action against high school administrators who they say failed to notify his parents and determine if any school official unilaterally reported the student to the FBI, which they characterized as a violation of district protocols.

Steven M. Ladd, Elk Grove Unified superintendent, said the district would investigate.

"Obviously, we're taking this very seriously," he said. "At this point, we're looking into it and don't have any conclusions. But our district is committed to making sure all our kids feel comfortable."

FBI officials said they interviewed Munir after receiving a complaint about the doodle and allegations of pictures of suicide bombers.

"Information concerning possible terrorist or threat activity, however benign, is reviewed by the FBI," Karen Ernst, a special agent in Sacramento, said in a written response.

Ernst said the agents asked Munir before the interview if he wanted a parent present and told him he didn't have to answer any questions.

But she said the youth told the agents that he would talk to his parents later.

Munir, however, said he went into the meeting assuming that his parents had been notified and wasn't aware until afterward that they hadn't been.

After a 20-minute interview, Ernst said in the written statement, "the issues brought forth by the complainant were resolved, and no further action has been taken."

Jimmy Rashed, the youth's father, said: "I have no problem with the FBI talking to him — we have nothing to hide. But I have a problem with the school district not calling us."

The family suspects that the complaint came from a math teacher who confronted Munir during his freshman year over a reference to the PLO, scrawled in 3-inch block letters on a binder. After the confrontation, Munir said, he protested to the principal and asked to be transferred from the class but was told it was too late in the year and he would have to stick it out.

That dispute dissipated and Munir said he had mostly forgotten about it, until he was called into the administration office in September.

The youth said he grew concerned when two strangers in dark suits identified themselves as being from the FBI.

"It was only maybe 10 minutes, but it seemed like forever," he said.
Do I have to expect a visit from the FBI too? I mean surely I must be on the wrong side of the fence for bringing up this stuff....
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http://www.southcoasttoday.com/daily/12-05/12-17-05/a09lo650.htm

I think it is better to stay ignorant and avoid being probed, what do you think?

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Agents' visit chills UMass Dartmouth senior
By AARON NICODEMUS, Standard-Times staff writer

NEW BEDFORD -- A senior at UMass Dartmouth was visited by federal agents two months ago, after he requested a copy of Mao Tse-Tung's tome on Communism called "The Little Red Book."
Two history professors at UMass Dartmouth, Brian Glyn Williams and Robert Pontbriand, said the student told them he requested the book through the UMass Dartmouth library's interlibrary loan program.
The student, who was completing a research paper on Communism for Professor Pontbriand's class on fascism and totalitarianism, filled out a form for the request, leaving his name, address, phone number and Social Security number. He was later visited at his parents' home in New Bedford by two agents of the Department of Homeland Security, the professors said.
The professors said the student was told by the agents that the book is on a "watch list," and that his background, which included significant time abroad, triggered them to investigate the student further.
"I tell my students to go to the direct source, and so he asked for the official Peking version of the book," Professor Pontbriand said. "Apparently, the Department of Homeland Security is monitoring inter-library loans, because that's what triggered the visit, as I understand it."
Although The Standard-Times knows the name of the student, he is not coming forward because he fears repercussions should his name become public. He has not spoken to The Standard-Times.
The professors had been asked to comment on a report that President Bush had authorized the National Security Agency to spy on as many as 500 people at any given time since 2002 in this country.
The eavesdropping was apparently done without warrants.
The Little Red Book, is a collection of quotations and speech excerpts from Chinese leader Mao Tse-Tung.
In the 1950s and '60s, during the Cultural Revolution in China, it was required reading. Although there are abridged versions available, the student asked for a version translated directly from the original book.
The student told Professor Pontbriand and Dr. Williams that the Homeland Security agents told him the book was on a "watch list." They brought the book with them, but did not leave it with the student, the professors said.
Dr. Williams said in his research, he regularly contacts people in Afghanistan, Chechnya and other Muslim hot spots, and suspects that some of his calls are monitored.
"My instinct is that there is a lot more monitoring than we think," he said.
Dr. Williams said he had been planning to offer a course on terrorism next semester, but is reconsidering, because it might put his students at risk.
"I shudder to think of all the students I've had monitoring al-Qaeda Web sites, what the government must think of that," he said. "Mao Tse-Tung is completely harmless."
Do you think it is unAmerican to read up or research sensitive topics?

Just answer the questions... Oh maybe not, I don't want to get you into trouble...
A student told me that Karl Rove approached him in a parking lot for oral sex. It was corroborated by his friend. Both must remain anonymous for obvious reasons.

Please don't use my name because Rove will hunt me down.

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A student told me that Karl Rove approached him in a parking lot for oral sex. It was corroborated by his friend. Both must remain anonymous for obvious reasons.

Please don't use my name because Rove will hunt me down.

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