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btw. we don't torture.. didn't you hear the prez? [8)]
Is this to say that we do?
those pictures from abu ghraib must be from saddam era or just a figment of my imagination..



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those pictures from abu ghraib must be from saddam era or just a figment of my imagination..
I loved the progression with Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo.

1. Stories leaked out: "The stories are lies"

2. Photos began to surface: "The photos are doctored"

3. Videos made public: "Isolated incidents"

4. More videoes, photos, stories: "Anti-American Propaganda"

5. Finally, "We Don't Torture". Hey, it might fly, right?
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I don't know of a news source that doesn't "take liberties" anymore.
I'd still like to know what your favorite sources are, FWIW.
I like "The Independent" of London.
Well, I read most of my print media online. I use the AZ republic online resource and a few locals from places I used to live. My favorites are Air America which I cross reference with AM 550 KFYI. I read CNN online too nearly every day.

Mostly I read linked stories from posters and "Headline" sites like Drudge et alia.

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btw. we don't torture.. didn't you hear the prez? [8)]
Is this to say that we do?
those pictures from abu ghraib must be from saddam era or just a figment of my imagination..
Are you suggesting that is the standard operating proceedure/policy of the US govt.?

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Told ya it might fly...

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i hope not but it seems to be rampart..



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What is the definition of torture? Is the question whether we had individuals under our eagis torture the enemy?

If they did, what was the result of those actions?

All sniping aside, is torture a policy of the US?

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Torture is CLEARLY a policy of the United States.

Two additional relevant facts:

1. The Bush Administration is 'defining down' torture right now.

2. The Bush Administration is resisting Senator John McCain's efforts to have the U.S. renounce the use of torture. I expect you know this hmm?
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Torture is CLEARLY a policy of the United States.

Two additional relevant facts:

1. The Bush Administration is 'defining down' torture right now.

2. The Bush Administration is resisting Senator John McCain's efforts to have the U.S. renounce the use of torture. I expect you know this hmm?
Can you show me in official US policy literature where torture is acceptable?

Do you think anyone is defining torture up for political gain?

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Can you show me in official US policy literature where torture is acceptable?
Now you're not being serious. The whole point of this discussion is the continued disconnect between avowed and actual policy.
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I haven't seen it happen, but it's certainly possible.

Let's define it up. Make a slightly better world.
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