No "insurgents" to be found in Bush speech

[BENZ REB]

For every complaint you have against Saddam Hussein (and a couple of them even have merit), anyone can offer a dozen about U.S. imperialism over the last several decades. Including murder, mayhem, invasions, endless bombing, etc etc against countries too numerous to mention. At this point, it might be easier to list the countries the U.S. hasn't bombed.

Saddam wasn't even a threat to Israel by the time the U.S. invaded. Meanwhile, the Bush Administration suppressed evidence about North Korea, which actually has WMDs, the means of delivering them, and has made repeated direct threats against the U.S.

[azimuth]

BENZ REB - 12/9/2005 1:39 AM

For every complaint you have against Saddam Hussein (and a couple of them even have merit), anyone can offer a dozen about U.S. imperialism over the last several decades. Including murder, mayhem, invasions, endless bombing, etc etc against countries too numerous to mention. At this point, it might be easier to list the countries the U.S. hasn't bombed.

Saddam wasn't even a threat to Israel by the time the U.S. invaded. Meanwhile, the Bush Administration suppressed evidence about North Korea, which actually has WMDs, the means of delivering them, and has made repeated direct threats against the U.S.

They have those complaints and are at war with us. They have been waging that war for decades now. We have not.

[chiphomme]

BENZ REB - 12/9/2005 1:39 AM

For every complaint you have against Saddam Hussein (and a couple of them even have merit), anyone can offer a dozen about U.S. imperialism over the last several decades. Including murder, mayhem, invasions, endless bombing, etc etc against countries too numerous to mention. At this point, it might be easier to list the countries the U.S. hasn't bombed.

Saddam wasn't even a threat to Israel by the time the U.S. invaded. Meanwhile, the Bush Administration suppressed evidence about North Korea, which actually has WMDs, the means of delivering them, and has made repeated direct threats against the U.S.

Was that a counter argument?
Every point I laid out had "merit".
Saddam was a menace to Iraq, the Middle East and the world at large.
Try reading the Deulfer Report and tell me how benign the Baathists were. For that matter read the Voelker Report too.
Sheez. Does the fact that the US and UK had to maintain two no fly zones to protect the majority of the Iraqi populace from Baathist brutality blow right by you? Can you say "Marsh Arabs"?

Are you one of those simpletons that always villify US foreign policy? Or just US foreign policy during republican administrations?

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azimuth - 12/9/2005 2:04 AM
They have those complaints and are at war with us. They have been waging that war for decades now. We have not.

Well, apparently you haven't been paying attention.

Here are some of the several dozen bombing campaigns and invasions undertaken by the U.S. during the last century: http://www.swans.com/library/art6/zig055.html

Not all are perfectly relevant to this discussion, and others are but are not on the list. But it's a start.

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chiphomme - 12/9/2005 2:08 AM
Was that a counter argument?
Every point I laid out had "merit".

Repeating your assertions does not cause them to become more convincing. Further, you ignore any and all points contrary to your "arguments". That, coupled with your repeated name-calling, means you're not trying to engage in serious discussion here. NP, have fun.

[azimuth]

BENZ REB - 12/9/2005 2:11 AM

Well, apparently you haven't been paying attention.

Here are some of the several dozen bombing campaigns and invasions undertaken by the U.S. during the last century: http://www.swans.com/library/art6/zig055.html

Not all are perfectly relevant to this discussion, and others are but are not on the list. But it's a start.

Is it your position that the US acted unrighteously in these campaigns?

[BENZ REB]

In many of them, without a doubt.

War and killing beget war and killing.
They are a counterproductive moral failure, not "diplomacy by other means".

Fighting for peace is like f*ing for virginity.

[azimuth]

BENZ REB - 12/9/2005 2:21 AM

In many of them, without a doubt.

War and killing beget war and killing.
They are a counterproductive moral failure, not "diplomacy by other means".

Fighting for peace is like f*ing for virginity.

In which ones?

Is there ever a case for war?

How is fighting for freedom like effing for virginity?

[Botnst]

BENZ REB - 12/9/2005 2:21 AM

In many of them, without a doubt.

War and killing beget war and killing.
They are a counterproductive moral failure, not "diplomacy by other means".

Fighting for peace is like f*ing for virginity.

If there were no f**king, there would be no virgins.

Pair of ducksickles, huh?

[Shabah]

chiphomme - 12/9/2005 1:04 AM

Is your name John Walker Lindh?

Hey, Chip, is anyone that disagree with yourtrain of thought a treator? I ust wanna know before I tear your arguments to bits...