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Old 12-02-2005, 09:39 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Bush flat out lies in speech on Iraq

When is this country going to stand up to this liar? We need an impeachment hearing:

http://thinkprogress.org/2005/12/01/embedded-time-reporter/
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Old 12-02-2005, 09:52 AM   #2 (permalink)
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RE: Bush flat out lies in speech on Iraq

Americans were taught in public school and by the media to never question authority. So basically they are too stupid to think for themselves and Bush Co. does it for them. Problem is Bush Co. ain't too bright either. The blind leading the helpless.
Impeach the putz I say. Why not. The notion of a draft dodger sending our kids off to war on trumped up charges just pisses me off.
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Old 12-02-2005, 10:18 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Where is the lie? I often hear from the liberals on this site that things are not black and white. Yet when it suits your purpose you try to make it black and white.

According to the article "Yesterday, President Bush claimed that Iraqi security forces “primarily led� the assault on the city of Tal Afar." The article sites a time reporter as contradicting the president in this statement "I was in that battle from the very beginning to the very end. I was with Iraqi units right there on the front line as they were battling with al Qaeda. They were not leading. They were being led by the U.S. green beret special forces with them."

So if there is a green beret team of 6-12 with (or helping lead) a group of 100+ Iraqi soldiers this can truthfully be said as primarily being lead by the Iraqi's. Is that spinning the story no doubt but I would not call it a lie. In other words if you are writing a book and have completed 300 out of 375 pages and someone asks you if you are done and you respond with "I am primarly done" or "I am mostly done" are you lieing? No.

The speech may have no have gone to the level of granularity to make the whole picture clear but I would not call this a lie.
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Old 12-02-2005, 10:53 AM   #4 (permalink)
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RE: Bush flat out lies in speech on Iraq

OK, I will start with the latest. His Iraq troop figures are way off. How is that for a lie. This is only 2-day old lies. Not even anything in the distant past.

You probably argue it's a figure given to him for press. Wrong answer, a person of his statue, ie. CEO of America, Inc. can't have a "rounded" of anything. We pay him $400K/yr and he better perform. No excuse. People get fired for much much less mistake than his.
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Old 12-02-2005, 11:27 AM   #5 (permalink)
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RE: Bush flat out lies in speech on Iraq

The only thing I can say, is thank God some fat bitch didn't suck his dick, then we'd really be in trouble.
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HAHAHA

You don't know that, yet. Maybe instead of some fat bitch, how about some black bitch?
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Of course, if one did, 430 would be telling us that that was really the Presidential Pooch looking for table scraps.
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HAHAHA

You don't know that, yet. Maybe instead of some fat bitch, how about some black bitch?
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Where is the lie? I often hear from the liberals on this site that things are not black and white. Yet when it suits your purpose you try to make it black and white.

According to the article "Yesterday, President Bush claimed that Iraqi security forces “primarily led� the assault on the city of Tal Afar." The article sites a time reporter as contradicting the president in this statement "I was in that battle from the very beginning to the very end. I was with Iraqi units right there on the front line as they were battling with al Qaeda. They were not leading. They were being led by the U.S. green beret special forces with them."

So if there is a green beret team of 6-12 with (or helping lead) a group of 100+ Iraqi soldiers this can truthfully be said as primarily being lead by the Iraqi's. Is that spinning the story no doubt but I would not call it a lie. In other words if you are writing a book and have completed 300 out of 375 pages and someone asks you if you are done and you respond with "I am primarly done" or "I am mostly done" are you lieing? No.

The speech may have no have gone to the level of granularity to make the whole picture clear but I would not call this a lie.
You forgot the part where one iraqi general had to be escorted out of the field of combat because he started arguing with an American general. Iraqi army for teh win!
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Where is the lie? I often hear from the liberals on this site that things are not black and white. Yet when it suits your purpose you try to make it black and white.

According to the article "Yesterday, President Bush claimed that Iraqi security forces “primarily led� the assault on the city of Tal Afar." The article sites a time reporter as contradicting the president in this statement "I was in that battle from the very beginning to the very end. I was with Iraqi units right there on the front line as they were battling with al Qaeda. They were not leading. They were being led by the U.S. green beret special forces with them."

So if there is a green beret team of 6-12 with (or helping lead) a group of 100+ Iraqi soldiers this can truthfully be said as primarily being lead by the Iraqi's. Is that spinning the story no doubt but I would not call it a lie. In other words if you are writing a book and have completed 300 out of 375 pages and someone asks you if you are done and you respond with "I am primarly done" or "I am mostly done" are you lieing? No.

The speech may have no have gone to the level of granularity to make the whole picture clear but I would not call this a lie.
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