Ammonium - 12/2/2005 5:38 PM
430 - 12/2/2005 4:47 PM
kvining - 12/2/2005 2:29 PM
430 - 12/2/2005 1:23 PM
I ate dinner with a soldier who recently returned from fighting in Iraq (his third war). He was telling some stories about Iraq and the other wars he has been in. One of his comments is that it would be a big mistake to pull out now. It would leave things more f*ed up than ever as the first thug with enough fire power would come in and take over. He felt he needs to finish the job. This is not the first soldier I have heard this from only the most recent. He is a much more credible source for a course of action than some arm chair quarter back sitting behind his computer safe and sound in the US.
Sure, that's what we need, the military telling us all what to do, and what to think. I got news for you bud, that guy works for the people, and if the people don't want his fucking war, then tough shit for him and the rest of his war-loving pals. Hey, next time you got him on the phone, why don't you have him explain exactly HOW he is protecting me from WHAT while he stands around waiting to get shot.
First of all if you are just standing around you deserve to be shot. It is Darwin at work. Since he has made it through several wars already I doubt he is just standing around out there.
There was no discussion about the events leading up to the war, whether he agreed with going in in the first place, whether he feels lied to, etc. The discussion was an assesment of the current situation.
I do love the acusations. His war? What makes it his war? Because he is in the military or because he does not agree with you, or both. It was not his decision to start the war. He was told to go and being in the military he followed a lawful order. Yes the military works for the people. But last time the civilians ran a war we had 50k+ killed in action.
I am at a loss to understand how people can think pulling the troops out tomorrow and leaving a vaccum is a good thing and will not come back and bite us in the ass. No need to talk about how if we did not attack in the first place we would not be over there. It is a moot point. We went in, we are there. The only question is what to we do from here.
You've completely missed the point. 10 marines are now dead in an continuing of this war with as of yet, undefined objectives and no clear victory moment.
Civilian run war in vietnam...wtf are you on crack? Let me correct your history for the bajillionth time. You'll heed my advise to wiki search before you post one day, maybe...
In vietnam there was no congressional "declaration of war" like in a traditional war. It first started out with noncombatant US advisors to the south to help them train for and fight against the vietcong. That escalated into sending special forces, and then some regular troops for defense purposes (guarding the embacy, ect). When the Gulf of Tonkin happened (new facts suggest it may have never happened in the first place!!) there were only 21,000 reserves in vietnam. On August 7, 1964, the US Senate passed the Gulf of Tonkin resolution which gave LBJ to "as the President shall determine" what to do. The president ran the whole operation, not congress. There was no declaration of war by congress so the people are not involved. Excutive branch all the way. gg try again tomorrow.
I love how people on here try to twist others posts, make assumptions, make false and misleading statements, etc.
Who said anything about congress? Who brought up the reserves? Both of these items were brought up by you not me. I stated that the war was run by civilians.
As far as you correcting my history you have yet to ever do this. You make claims that I am wrong and you love to reference Wiki. But so far it has been you that has been consistently wrong. But if you keep repeating the same lies maybe someone will actually believe them. Typical liberal ploy use a label until you can get it to stick and damn the truth.
Here are the numbers from Vietnam.
Number Hostile/Non-Hostile American Deaths, Source: Dept of VA, 3-86
Total Non-Hostile deaths 10,475 15.82
Total Hostile deaths 47,252 71.39
Died of their wounds 5,169 7.80
Died from illness 1,911 2.88
Died while missing 1,358 2.05
Missing returned to military control 21 .03
Number of U.S. servicemen
wounded in Vietnam 313,616
Better luck next time.