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Posted by Shabah: What I still don't get is this victory talk. Victory for whom and about what?
There will be no victors in this melee. It is too late to get the Arabs lined up with his logic.

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Well put, Shabah. Repeatedly we hear this crap about "completing the mission," and not leaving Iraq until "victory is achieved." But those using such terminology never spell out just what "victory" would entail. The idea of the disparate factions in Iraq coming together in a blissful, joyous celebration of "democracy" is an absolute farce.

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How's is a "farce" to say the job is done when the Iraqis can take over the security of their own country? How much more clear does it have to be for you? Tell me the last war that the eventual victors laid out a time table for withdrawl before their main objectives were complete?
It's a farce when you put people in charge that commit crimes that would rival the most sadistics of Saddam's regime...
It's a farce when you claim political unity and free elections when you waver about Iraq's unity by favoring one faction over another as long as they serve your purposes...
It's a farce when you turn the other sheek when you commit crimes and play innocent or claim ignorance then slap the perpetuators on the wrist then business is conducted as usual...
It's a farce when this war was about the ineterst of a few and worse it was based on lies, bad intelligence and acceptance of thereof...
It's a farce when you perpetuate the farce... It's not raining dude, it looks like piss to me from where I am...


To whom are you refering? Be more specific.
It is obscene (and just plain wrong) to compare whats going on in Iraq with the Baathist tyrants that ruled it previously.

Can you say "genocide"?
Can you say "mass graves"?


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Ohh choks I mispled again...
j'ai perdue la bousole quelque part mais je croi que le message est claire...
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To whom are you refering? Be more specific.
It is obscene (and just plain wrong) to compare whats going on in Iraq with the Baathist tyrants that ruled it previously.

Can you say "genocide"?
Can you say "mass graves"?
Can't you have the decency to give them time before we compare their records?

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Can you say "genocide"?
Can you say "mass graves"?
Did you not hear the news that Iraq is now worse off than when Saddam was in power?

I say let's vote Saddam back in power so we can pull out tomorrow. What you say, Chip? That's my plan for victory.

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Can you say "genocide"?
Can you say "mass graves"?
Did you not hear the news that Iraq is now worse off than when Saddam was in power?

I say let's vote Saddam back in power so we can pull out tomorrow. What you say, Chip? That's my plan for victory.

That would be your plan.
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I know what's in there guage and I understant that you are a whitehouse spokesperson... What is actually your opinion rather than a link, come on give us an intelligent discussion, you know the usual guage...
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RE: National Strategy for Victory in Iraq

Another brain dead Republican touts successes in Iraq. Wait a minute Liberman is a Democrat. And unlike most (or everyone) on this board he has actually been to Iraq.

WASHINGTON -- Sen. Joseph I. Lieberman, just back from Iraq, wants President Bush to give the American people details about the progress being made in that country - from military triumphs to the proliferation of cellphones and satellite dishes.

Bush is scheduled to give the nation a progress report on Iraq Wednesday, his first such address since Congress erupted two weeks ago in bitter debate over the war.

Supporters and critics alike have been urging the president to outline his strategy for some time.

Critics sense a mission adrift. Sen. Christopher J. Dodd, D-Conn., visited Iraq last month, and came away saying "we need a major course correction" in American policy - notably "we need to let Iraqis know we're not there forever."

But Lieberman, D-Conn., who spent Wednesday and Thursday in Iraq, saw strong evidence that a workable American plan is in place.

"We do have a strategy," he said. "We do have a plan. I saw a strategy that's being implemented."

Lieberman, who is one of Bush's strongest war supporters in the Senate, cited the remarks of Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, who last month told the Senate Foreign Relations Committee the strategy in Iraq was to "clear, hold and build: to clear areas from insurgent control, to hold them securely and to build durable, national Iraqi institutions."

Lieberman spent his time in Iraq, his fourth trip there in 17 months, conferring with American officials and Iraqi leaders, including Prime Minister Ibrahim Jaafari, the country's interior and defense ministers, and senior members of the Supreme Council. He also talked with about 50 Connecticut troops.

Other war backers shared the belief that the strategy would work. Rep. Christopher Shays, R-4th District, said he was "pretty optimistic" after his 10th trip to Iraq last month.

"The [Iraqi] troops are moving forward in a very positive way," Shays reported.

Lieberman and others acknowledge that the White House has a huge public relations task convincing the American people that the United States has a clear, winnable mission.

The White House has not released details of the speech Bush is scheduled to deliver at the U.S. Naval Academy Wednesday, but the president's supporters have been urging him to provide specifics about his plans.

John W. Warner, R-Va., the Senate Armed Services Committee chairman, Sunday told NBC's "Meet the Press" that Bush should consider the kind of "fireside chat" Franklin D. Roosevelt used during his presidency.

"It would bring him closer to the people," Warner said, "[and] dispel some of the concern that, understandably, our people have about the loss of life and limb, the enormous cost of this war to the American public."

One way to calm lawmakers and the public, backers said, is to stress the good news.

"The Iraqi Security Forces are fighting hard. They're fighting well. They are not cracking under pressure, as you see in some armies, and they are making a tremendous contribution," Brig. Gen. Mark Kimmitt, deputy director, plans and strategy, U.S. Army Central Command, told a Heritage Foundation forum Monday.

Such descriptions, though, are unlikely to satisfy war critics.

Rep. Rosa L. DeLauro, D-3rd District, said she wanted "a new strategy for Iraq, one that both safely brings our troops home and brings stability and security to the country and throughout the region."

She cited Democratic ideas, including specific exit strategies and timetables, and expressed hope Bush "will use his speech Wednesday to begin this discussion with the American people."

Dodd, a member of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, listed a series of steps he would like the United States to take, including using Arab League nations to cool tensions between rival Iraqi factions, getting the United Nations and NATO more involved and possibly moving "major blocs" of American troops out of the country after the Dec. 15 national elections.
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they gotta be in their last throws by now, no? [8D]



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