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Thank you Amrika for sacrificing your own future for the sake of my people. How could I repay you when you take the bread from your own childre's mouths to feed us, protect us and show us freedom? From this article I see how you are forgoing the education of generations of your youths so you can apply that money to arm us against our common enemies. I can't wait to start killing my own people to preserve the freedom you bestowed on us. I will torture anyone that utter a bad word about Bush or says that Amerika is crazy. How dare will they open their mouths now that I understand what you have done to yourself for our sake?
Anyway here is the article, and please don't be alarmed in the future that I will be asking for more resources from you, that is, I would want more substantial sacrifices to keep the peace in the Middle East to protect America and its friends.

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The fight is about to begin as hundreds of education, student and social service organizations plan to battle Congress over proposals that could add up to the largest student loan cuts in history.

The House last week narrowly passed a measure to reduce the deficit that included $14.3 billion in student loan cuts. The Senate version proposed approximately $9 billion in cuts.

The U.S. Student Association and congressional Democrats contend the cuts would force the average student borrower to pay as much as $5,800 extra in loan repayment over the course of a college education. On average, students borrow about $17,500 for education.

"These members have to go back and face parents and students in their district, and they are going to have to explain their votes," said Jasmine Harris, the association's legislative director. "These bills are unpopular, and you have a wide range of groups -- from the NAACP to women's groups to poverty groups working on this."

Republicans counter that the critics have distorted the measures, maintaining that although there might be some initial costs, the plan would ultimately help students by raising the limits on what freshmen and sophomores can borrow, and by eventually reducing the overall costs of the loans.

"First and foremost, people who say that this cuts student aid are just wrong," said Alexa Marrero, spokeswoman for Rep. John A. Boehner (R-Ohio), chairman of the House Education and the Workforce Committee. "What that implies is there will be less aid available, and that's not the case. We are trying to get more bang for the buck."

Right now, students pay as much as a 3 percent loan origination fee and an additional -- but optional -- 1 percent loan default or insurance fee. Under the GOP plan the origination fee would be phased out, but the insurance fee would be mandatory. Democrats say that is not really a savings because most guaranteed lenders discount or waive the origination fee, so the fees for the direct loans from the government will increase before they decrease.

Advocacy groups plan to bring the issue home to lawmakers who are in close races next year. Harris said that students have made about 25,000 contacts with legislators by phone, e-mail or traditional mail, protesting the cuts. "We think we can defeat the bill," she said.

Complicating the fight for advocacy groups is that most of the cuts would come from reductions in government subsidies to private lending institutions. Student groups advocated for those cuts for years, but they had hoped the savings would be given back to students to keep loan costs down. The Senate bill does recycle some of the money back into the students loans, while the $14.3 billion in House cuts are largely for deficit reduction.

"This comes at a time when students are already deeply in debt," said Rep. George Miller (Calif.), ranking Democrat on the House education panel, who has fought the plan. Miller points to a Congressional Budget Office report that the House bill would saddle students with an additional $7.8 billion in new loan charges.

One point of contention is the House version's proposed change in the student loan consolidation program, which allows students to roll together various loans taken out over the course of their education. Under current law, borrowers can consolidate loans with a fixed interest rate for as many as 30 years, but the government bears the burden of paying the difference between the locked rate and the market rate.

The House version offers students the option of choosing between a variable rate -- with a cap of 8.25 percent -- and a fixed rate, but those choosing the fixed rate would pay a percentage point higher than the market rate. Students also would pay a new 1 percent fee to consolidate. The GOP's Marrero said that a variable plan with a cap could protect students if interest rates soar in the future.
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It's okay folks, move along. Nothing to see here. It's just Shaba demonstrating his racist hate for Americans and their country. Nothing new.

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I feel that shaba is a weenie.
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so how much is my interest going to go up?

i get to pay a big bill soon. [:)]

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americans will keep laughing at others and blindly support their government decision while the american empire of democracy colapses and communism takes over once again!!

atleast then the education would be free..

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Most times in the US when people claim there are cuts to federal programs the truth is that they are not cuts they are reductions in the growth rate. So if in the federal budget a program was slated to grow at 10% next year and the reduced the growth rate to 8% they would call that "slashing the program" and cutting $5 billion from it.

This would be like me saying I think I am going to get a 15% raise on Jan 1, then when the raise comes in it is only 10% and me telling everyone how evil my company is because I took a 5% pay reduction.

The Gov't just does not operate in the same reality as the people.
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Most times in the US when people claim there are cuts to federal programs the truth is that they are not cuts they are reductions in the growth rate. So if in the federal budget a program was slated to grow at 10% next year and the reduced the growth rate to 8% they would call that "slashing the program" and cutting $5 billion from it.

This would be like me saying I think I am going to get a 15% raise on Jan 1, then when the raise comes in it is only 10% and me telling everyone how evil my company is because I took a 5% pay reduction.

The Gov't just does not operate in the same reality as the people.
yeah right, it's like do you want it raw or do you want me to apply some vaseline... Keep lying to yourself so you can feel good...
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It's okay folks, move along. Nothing to see here. It's just Shaba demonstrating his racist hate for Americans and their country. Nothing new.
You are the racist Az...
If I was I would have gotten rid of half of my staff that are Americans... If I was an American hater they would have left too... And if I really hated America, I would have stopped doing business by importing stuff from there a long time ago. I can get the exact same shit from China now a lot cheaper. The only reason I am sticking to my suppliers is that I have great rapport with them.
Here is the problem Az. Since 1995 I have seen a decline in qualified engineers that I need for my business from the USA, why is that? Most of my American engineers are about to retire with pensions mind you Az but how am I going to find people like them? Definitely not from what your colleges crank out... They can't do math for God sake!
Luckily I am filling the positions with qualified people from India and Pakistan unfortunately I run into communications issues but you know I can always hire some semi qualified people to do the talking, are you interested?
So before you accuse someone of hatred or even worse racism look at yourself and ask yourself how many Arabs do you know and actually trust? How many do you do business with and rely on their performance to keep you afloat? How many do you know personally and are friends with or even related to? Oh I am married to one too Az and she is treated like a princes if you doubted how she lives… I have some of my kids that carry the same passport you use and study maybe in a town next to you, and spend in one month more than you will ever spend on yourself in years and guess where they spend it? If I really hated the US then you know I have the rest of the world to tap into.
So Az whenever you feel that you have to spew hatred towards me think again about what I really write and read between the lines…
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It's okay folks, move along. Nothing to see here. It's just Shaba demonstrating his racist hate for Americans and their country. Nothing new.
You are the racist Az...
If I was I would have gotten rid of half of my staff that are Americans... If I was an American hater they would have left too... And if I really hated America, I would have stopped doing business by importing stuff from there a long time ago. I can get the exact same shit from China now a lot cheaper. The only reason I am sticking to my suppliers is that I have great rapport with them.
Here is the problem Az. Since 1995 I have seen a decline in qualified engineers that I need for my business from the USA, why is that? Most of my American engineers are about to retire with pensions mind you Az but how am I going to find people like them? Definitely not from what your colleges crank out... They can't do math for God sake!
Luckily I am filling the positions with qualified people from India and Pakistan unfortunately I run into communications issues but you know I can always hire some semi qualified people to do the talking, are you interested?
So before you accuse someone of hatred or even worse racism look at yourself and ask yourself how many Arabs do you know and actually trust? How many do you do business with and rely on their performance to keep you afloat? How many do you know personally and are friends with or even related to? Oh I am married to one too Az and she is treated like a princes if you doubted how she lives… I have some of my kids that carry the same passport you use and study maybe in a town next to you, and spend in one month more than you will ever spend on yourself in years and guess where they spend it? If I really hated the US then you know I have the rest of the world to tap into.
So Az whenever you feel that you have to spew hatred towards me think again about what I really write and read between the lines…
None of this mitigates the unvarnished racism displayed regularly in the sum of your posts relative to Americans or America.

"I'm not prejudiced against blacks, I have them for bed warmers and I make them work for me...."

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azimuth - 11/23/2005 12:45 AM

It's okay folks, move along. Nothing to see here. It's just Shaba demonstrating his racist hate for Americans and their country. Nothing new.
You are the racist Az...
If I was I would have gotten rid of half of my staff that are Americans... If I was an American hater they would have left too... And if I really hated America, I would have stopped doing business by importing stuff from there a long time ago. I can get the exact same shit from China now a lot cheaper. The only reason I am sticking to my suppliers is that I have great rapport with them.
Here is the problem Az. Since 1995 I have seen a decline in qualified engineers that I need for my business from the USA, why is that? Most of my American engineers are about to retire with pensions mind you Az but how am I going to find people like them? Definitely not from what your colleges crank out... They can't do math for God sake!
Luckily I am filling the positions with qualified people from India and Pakistan unfortunately I run into communications issues but you know I can always hire some semi qualified people to do the talking, are you interested?
So before you accuse someone of hatred or even worse racism look at yourself and ask yourself how many Arabs do you know and actually trust? How many do you do business with and rely on their performance to keep you afloat? How many do you know personally and are friends with or even related to? Oh I am married to one too Az and she is treated like a princes if you doubted how she lives… I have some of my kids that carry the same passport you use and study maybe in a town next to you, and spend in one month more than you will ever spend on yourself in years and guess where they spend it? If I really hated the US then you know I have the rest of the world to tap into.
So Az whenever you feel that you have to spew hatred towards me think again about what I really write and read between the lines…
None of this mitigates the unvarnished racism displayed regularly in the sum of your posts relative to Americans or America.

"I'm not prejudiced against blacks, I have them for bed warmers and I make them work for me...."
That's your interpretation. It is so easy to accuse then to defend, so I resolve myself to accuse you back that you are the racist until proven otherwise...
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