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She was a christian. This was her ONLY crime.
See, now you are giving credence to the theory that being a christian is a crime, effectively giving the terrorists in this country the stick with which to hit you, or even the knive to behead you with.
Yeah. TC, if they had you and me in a submissive position ready to kill us, which one do you think they'd enjoy beheading more?

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As previous post showed: all politicians in this country admitted to Iraq's possibility of having WMDs.
In light of 9/11 and US policy stated to seek out any country harboring terrorists (accepted by both aisles), this administration did what was prudent at the time.
What? Prudent my ass. Hussein controlled Iraq was not harboring terrorists. I challenge you to produce proof to the contrary because there isn't any. All politicians thought it was possible that Iraq had WMDs but only one politician (GW) took the country to war based on the "possibility".

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Especially in light of failure of Iraq to abide by UN resolutions, etc. and the fact that both parties sanctioned this war, you cannot accuse only the Republicans of starting this war and being criminals about it. If so, that blame should be placed on the Democrats as well and anyone else who believed it was the right thing to do..
I don't blame Republicans or Democrats. They didn't take us to war. George W Bush made the decision. He is responsible for it. The blame lies with GW Bush. The democrats and republicans should be blamed for allowing that moron to make it.

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Most of us are appalled about the twisted facts that were presented to all parties, but this was what we had.
How did those facts get so twisted?!?!?!? I have a pretty good idea how, do you?

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Did the US go in too quickly and unprepared?.
YES!

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How long would have been proper in this case if part of the rationale is that another 9/11 massacre or worse could be in the planning?
That was only part of Bush's propaganda rationale. Rational people knew Iraq was not an imminent threat.

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American lives were taken on 9/11 and American forces applied to a Middle East hotbed that perhaps was not prepared to wage WMDs at us....yet.
Let me make it clear. Iraq had NOTHING to do with 9-11. You're attempts att linking the 2 is disingenuous and many would call it lying.
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Let me make it clear. Iraq had NOTHING to do with 9-11. You're attempts att linking the 2 is disingenuous and many would call it lying.
Given that there are terrorists there now, and in light of recent events, do you really think it matters relative to the task at hand?

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She was a christian. This was her ONLY crime.
See, now you are giving credence to the theory that being a christian is a crime, effectively giving the terrorists in this country the stick with which to hit you, or even the knive to behead you with.
Yeah. TC, if they had you and me in a submissive position ready to kill us, which one do you think they'd enjoy beheading more?
Probably me, for historical reasons, political reasons, and as a borderline atheist, I'm not worth the dirt a christian sh*ts on.

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"criminal abuse of power in starting a war"

You can accuse Republicans of having an agenda, of being too religious, etc. but not this.

As previous post showed: all politicians in this country admitted to Iraq's possibility of having WMDs.
In light of 9/11 and US policy stated to seek out any country harboring terrorists (accepted by both aisles), this administration did what was prudent at the time. Especially in light of failure of Iraq to abide by UN resolutions, etc. and the fact that both parties sanctioned this war, you cannot accuse only the Republicans of starting this war and being criminals about it. If so, that blame should be placed on the Democrats as well and anyone else who believed it was the right thing to do.
Most of us are appalled about the twisted facts that were presented to all parties, but this was what we had.
The question of what to do: whether to be preemptive or wait to be attacked, is another big issue here. You have to go with what you have, and if part of the data was faulty, all US politicians acted on it. And did so willingly.
Did the US go in too quickly and unprepared?
How long would have been proper in this case if part of the rationale is that another 9/11 massacre or worse could be in the planning?
I think the US was regrouping in all respects while the war commenced.
American lives were taken on 9/11 and American forces applied to a Middle East hotbed that perhaps was not prepared to wage WMDs at us....yet.
Apparently you are too stupid to understand the term "course of action". Do you, in your right mind, ever in a million years think the Democrats would have pursued the same course of action as Bush did? Invading a country and setting up shop as dictators in that country? Here is the source of the problem: you guys are a bunch of murderering fascists who put the jackboot up people's asses. Fuck your war, man - and this is one Democrat who has said that from the first day you guys started rattling your sabres, you bunch of blood thristy bastards.

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Let me make it clear. Iraq had NOTHING to do with 9-11. You're attempts att linking the 2 is disingenuous and many would call it lying.
Given that there are terrorists there now, and in light of recent events, do you really think it matters relative to the task at hand?
And who made them? Think about it.
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Throwing words at Dick Cheney

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Much is being made of Dick Cheney's world-turned-upside-down comments on Iraq yesterday, but AMERICAblog's John Aravosis zooms in right on the money quote. "The President and I cannot prevent certain politicians from losing their memory, or their backbone -- but we're not going to sit by and let them rewrite history," Cheney said. "We're going to continue throwing their own words back at them."

Hello?

How about these words, Mr. Vice President?

Dick Cheney, Aug. 26, 2002: "Simply stated, there is no doubt that Saddam Hussein now has weapons of mass destruction."

Dick Cheney, Sept. 2002: "[Saddam Hussein] has indeed stepped up his capacity to produce and deliver biological weapons ... he has reconstituted his nuclear program to develop a nuclear weapon."

Dick Cheney, March 16, 2003: "We believe he has, in fact, reconstituted nuclear weapons."

Dick Cheney, Oct. 10, 2003: Saddam Hussein "had an established relationship with al Qaeda, providing training to al Qaeda members in the areas of poisons, gases, making conventional bombs."

Dick Cheney, Jan. 21, 2004: "I think there's overwhelming evidence that there was a connection between al-Qaida and the Iraqi government. I'm very confident that there was an established relationship there."

We could go on and on -- there are congressional reports and Web sites filled with false statements Cheney made about Iraq -- but we wouldn't want anyone to accuse us of breaching the "basic measure of truthfulness and good faith" the vice president deems appropriate in political debate. So we'll leave it with this, an oldie-but-goodie from the vice president we find ourselves remembering every time an additional U.S. soldier is killed in Iraq.

You know the one.

When Tim Russert asked the vice president in March 2003 whether Americans were ready for "a long, costly, and bloody battle with significant American casualties," Cheney said not to worry: "Well, I don't think it's likely to unfold that way, Tim, because I really do believe that we will be greeted as liberators."

-- Tim Grieve

Recall that earlier generations faced down fascism and communism not just with missiles and tanks, but with sturdy alliances and enduring convictions. They understood that our power alone cannot protect us, nor does it entitle us to do as we please. Instead, they knew that our power grows through its prudent use; our security emanates from the justness of our cause, the force of our example, the tempering qualities of humility and restraint.

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Let me make it clear. Iraq had NOTHING to do with 9-11. You're attempts att linking the 2 is disingenuous and many would call it lying.
Given that there are terrorists there now, and in light of recent events, do you really think it matters relative to the task at hand?
And who made them? Think about it.
Irrelevant. Think about that.

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Let me make it clear. Iraq had NOTHING to do with 9-11. You're attempts att linking the 2 is disingenuous and many would call it lying.
Given that there are terrorists there now, and in light of recent events, do you really think it matters relative to the task at hand?
And who made them? Think about it.
The vast number of people we are calling "terrorists" in Iraq are men doing the same thing I would be doing in their position - killing anyone who invades and occupies my country. I simply cannot blame them for doing what all men would do in the same situation. As far as the 1% or so that are truly terrorists, I can only conclude that if our military resources were not tied down placing the fascist jackboot on the people of Iraq, they could have been expended to fight these men. We are currently fighting them in the way guaranteed to insure our defeat, playing right into their hands, by thinking that a World War II style war of occupation and Polish-style Hitlerite invasion can work - in fact, I never think it was intended to work, all it has ever been is a cover story for Bush and the oil fascist's real goal - conquest and control of Iraq.

War against terrorists require clandestine methods, high tech methods and campaigns of identification and assasination of potential threats. Instead we think our potential threat is what? An Iraqi goat farmer? It is stupid and sick.

Recall that earlier generations faced down fascism and communism not just with missiles and tanks, but with sturdy alliances and enduring convictions. They understood that our power alone cannot protect us, nor does it entitle us to do as we please. Instead, they knew that our power grows through its prudent use; our security emanates from the justness of our cause, the force of our example, the tempering qualities of humility and restraint.

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Recall that earlier generations faced down fascism and communism not just with missiles and tanks, but with sturdy alliances and enduring convictions. They understood that our power alone cannot protect us, nor does it entitle us to do as we please. Instead, they knew that our power grows through its prudent use; our security emanates from the justness of our cause, the force of our example, the tempering qualities of humility and restraint.

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