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Asterisks Dot White House's Iraq Argument

By Dana Milbank and Walter Pincus
Washington Post Staff Writers
Saturday, November 12, 2005; Page A01

President Bush and his national security adviser have answered critics of the Iraq war in recent days with a two-pronged argument: that Congress saw the same intelligence the administration did before the war, and that independent commissions have determined that the administration did not misrepresent the intelligence.

Neither assertion is wholly accurate.



The administration's overarching point is true: Intelligence agencies overwhelmingly believed that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction, and very few members of Congress from either party were skeptical about this belief before the war began in 2003. Indeed, top lawmakers in both parties were emphatic and certain in their public statements.

But Bush and his aides had access to much more voluminous intelligence information than did lawmakers, who were dependent on the administration to provide the material. And the commissions cited by officials, though concluding that the administration did not pressure intelligence analysts to change their conclusions, were not authorized to determine whether the administration exaggerated or distorted those conclusions.

National security adviser Stephen J. Hadley, briefing reporters Thursday, countered "the notion that somehow this administration manipulated the intelligence." He said that "those people who have looked at that issue, some committees on the Hill in Congress, and also the Silberman-Robb Commission, have concluded it did not happen."

But the only committee investigating the matter in Congress, the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, has not yet done its inquiry into whether officials mischaracterized intelligence by omitting caveats and dissenting opinions. And Judge Laurence H. Silberman, chairman of Bush's commission on weapons of mass destruction, said in releasing his report on March 31, 2005: "Our executive order did not direct us to deal with the use of intelligence by policymakers, and all of us were agreed that that was not part of our inquiry."

Bush, in Pennsylvania yesterday, was more precise, but he still implied that it had been proved that the administration did not manipulate intelligence, saying that those who suggest the administration "manipulated the intelligence" are "fully aware that a bipartisan Senate investigation found no evidence of political pressure to change the intelligence community's judgments."

In the same speech, Bush asserted that "more than 100 Democrats in the House and the Senate, who had access to the same intelligence, voted to support removing Saddam Hussein from power." Giving a preview of Bush's speech, Hadley had said that "we all looked at the same intelligence."

But Bush does not share his most sensitive intelligence, such as the President's Daily Brief, with lawmakers. Also, the National Intelligence Estimate summarizing the intelligence community's views about the threat from Iraq was given to Congress just days before the vote to authorize the use of force in that country.

In addition, there were doubts within the intelligence community not included in the NIE. And even the doubts expressed in the NIE could not be used publicly by members of Congress because the classified information had not been cleared for release. For example, the NIE view that Hussein would not use weapons of mass destruction against the United States or turn them over to terrorists unless backed into a corner was cleared for public use only a day before the Senate vote.

The lawmakers are partly to blame for their ignorance. Congress was entitled to view the 92-page National Intelligence Estimate about Iraq before the October 2002 vote. But, as The Washington Post reported last year, no more than six senators and a handful of House members read beyond the five-page executive summary.

Even within the Bush administration, not everybody consistently viewed Iraq as what Hadley called "an enormous threat." In a news conference in February 2001 in Egypt, then-Secretary of State Colin L. Powell said of the economic sanctions against Hussein's Iraq: "Frankly, they have worked. He has not developed any significant capability with respect to weapons of mass destruction."

Bush, in his speech Friday, said that "it is deeply irresponsible to rewrite the history of how that war began." But in trying to set the record straight, he asserted: "When I made the decision to remove Saddam Hussein from power, Congress approved it with strong bipartisan support."

The October 2002 joint resolution authorized the use of force in Iraq, but it did not directly mention the removal of Hussein from power.

The resolution voiced support for diplomatic efforts to enforce "all relevant Security Council resolutions," and for using the armed forces to enforce the resolutions and defend "against the continuing threat posed by Iraq."

Hadley, in his remarks, went further. "Congress, in 1998, authorized, in fact, the use of force based on that intelligence," he said. "And, as you know, the Clinton administration took some action."

But the 1998 legislation gave the president authority "to support efforts to remove the regime of Saddam Hussein" by providing assistance to Iraqi opposition groups, including arms, humanitarian aid and broadcasting facilities.

President Bill Clinton ordered four days of bombing of Iraqi weapons facilities in 1998, under the 1991 resolution authorizing military force in response to Iraq's invasion of Kuwait. Describing that event in an interview with CBS News yesterday, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said: "We went to war in 1998 because of concerns about his weapons of mass destruction."


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Isn't it nice to FINALLY see some skepticism in the media?

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Someone should ask Boneheaddoctor for his opinion on the article.

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The Washington Post, you say!
How unusual for them to use a news story to post commentary against the president. The sky is falling!
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I never associated the smell of uncovering facts buried in bullshit with the sky falling. Once the facts are out, the bullshit is cleaned away and tagged back to the source, and the American people get to examine them, it would seem more like a bright new dawn. Jim
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Funny how they fail to mention that the President's Daily Brief was more alarmist than the stuff congress had in front of it. Typical anti Bush garbage.
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Hmm.... you mean the stuff prepared by the CIA analysts who were pressured by Cheney, or was it the stuff prepared by Achmed Chalabi? Or perhaps the alarmist stuff was prepared by The Office of Special Plans? Too bad something called "The UN Weapons Inspector's Report on Iraqi Weapons of Mass Destruction" wasn't in there. 2,055 guys would be alive today if he had read it and followed its recommendations.

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I'm talking about the lame article that started this thread. It implied that the dimmocrats were hoodwinked because they didn't get the PDB. The PDB was more alarmist then anything they had in front of them. If dim wits like Howard Dean are going to lie about being lied to they better come up with something more substantian than that.
The invasion of Iraq is not a blunder it is and was the right thing to do. It will be successful unless cowards like yourself undermine it.

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I'm talking about the lame article that started this thread. It implied that the dimmocrats were hoodwinked because they didn't get the PDB. The PDB was more alarmist then anything they had in front of them. If dim wits like Howard Dean are going to lie about being lied to they better come up with something more substantian than that.
The invasion of Iraq is not a blunder it is and was the right thing to do. It will be successful unless cowards like yourself undermine it.
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I'm talking about the lame article that started this thread. It implied that the dimmocrats were hoodwinked because they didn't get the PDB. The PDB was more alarmist then anything they had in front of them. If dim wits like Howard Dean are going to lie about being lied to they better come up with something more substantian than that.
The invasion of Iraq is not a blunder it is and was the right thing to do. It will be successful unless cowards like yourself undermine it.
Chip,

What PDBs were you able to get your hands on?? I haven't seen any of them. Apparently, neither did congress. Yet you profess to know what was in them? No wonder you know so much. I guess I can go to sleep now knowing that Iraq wasn't a blunder (curious how it couldn't be one since no WMDs have been found).

Calling people cowards on the internet is cowardly in and of itself, especially when you have no history of ever participating (6 posts and you're namecalling?!?!?). Cowards refuse to face up to reality. It takes real courage to call it like it is, admit you made a mistake and work to correct it.
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