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An OUTRAGE: Achmed Chalabi, Bush/Cheny Mob's WMD man, to visit US

This is unfreaking believable:

AHMED CHALABI TO VISIT WASHINGTON IN NOVEMBER



Posted Sunday, Oct. 23, 2005
New York–Ahmad Chalabi, who currently serves as Iraq’s Deputy Prime Minister in Ibrahim al-Jaafari’s government, is coming back to Washington in November, at the invitation of Treasury Secretary John Snow, TIME’s Joe Klein reports in his column this week. He writes that Chalabi will have potentially more significant meetings with National Security adviser Stephen Hadley, and perhaps Condoleezza Rice, both of whom—according to high-ranking Administration officials—believe that Chalabi is a plausible and acceptable candidate to be the next Prime Minister of Iraq when that nation votes, yet again, for a new government on Dec. 15.

It is the latest signpost in the Bush’s Administration’s hegira from lunatic idealism to utter desperation in Iraq, and it comes at a crucial moment. Iraq’s fate—well, the U.S.’s fate in Iraq—will be decided in the next six months. There are few optimists left in the Congress, intelligence community or U.S. military. But the Bush Administration harbors a gossamer strand of hope that the Dec. 15 election will finally produce a strong Iraqi government, a real coalition of Shi’ites, Sunnis and Kurds, Klein writes.

Recall that earlier generations faced down fascism and communism not just with missiles and tanks, but with sturdy alliances and enduring convictions. They understood that our power alone cannot protect us, nor does it entitle us to do as we please. Instead, they knew that our power grows through its prudent use; our security emanates from the justness of our cause, the force of our example, the tempering qualities of humility and restraint.

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I thought we dropped him like a hot Lamb kibbe?

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Last I heard he was an "accused spy".
http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2004/05/04/chalabi/

Now he is Deputy Prime Minister of Iraq, and again a fascist favorite. He seems to have been rehabilitated, like Dung Tso Ping. Damn Bush is getting more like Mao every day. He has GOT to be blackmailing somebody. For a little ancient history, relevent to today, how's this from January of this year?:


Together, Again
Judith Miller and Ahmad Chalabi.
By Jack Shafer
www.slate.com

Posted Monday, Jan. 31, 2005, at 7:28 PM ET



How did the New York Times botch the weapons of mass destruction story so magnificently? According to the editors' mini culpa of May 26, 2004, many of the stories the Times published during in the run-up to the war shared a common feature. They depended at least in part on information from a circle of Iraqi informants, defectors and exiles bent on "regime change" in Iraq, people whose credibility has come under increasing public debate in recent weeks. Complicating matters for journalists, the accounts of these exiles were often eagerly confirmed by United States officials convinced of the need to intervene in Iraq. Administration officials now acknowledge that they sometimes fell for misinformation from these exile sources. So did many news organizations—in particular, this one.

The most prominent of those exiles was Ahmad Chalabi, "an occasional source in Times articles since at least 1991," who "introduced reporters to other exiles" and "became a favorite of hard-liners within the Bush administration and a paid broker of information from Iraqi exiles." And one of the most prolific chroniclers of Chalabi's views and those of his Iraqi National Congress camp was Times reporter Judith Miller, who wrote or co-wrote at least nine of the "problematic" stories the Times cited in its mini culpa.

Miller was detailed to the oil-for-food scandal by the Times after its self-examination, but she emerged from the woodshed yesterday (Jan. 30) to appear on Hardball with stunning news that, if true, belongs in the New York Times, not on cable TV as talk show filler.

Citing unnamed "sources," Miller claimed that the Bush administration had recently made "belated and sudden outreaches" to Ahmad Chalabi, "to offer him expressions of cooperation and support." She continued, "And according to one report, he was even offered a chance to be an interior minister in the new government. But I think one effect of this vote is going to be that the Iraqis themselves will decide who will hold."

These revelations stunned Hardball host Chris Matthews and a nation of Miller skeptics.

Matthews: Wait a minute. When you say—Judy, when you say administration, do you mean the alliance party leadership or Allawi over there, the current prime minister? Who are you talking about?

Miller: We are talking about the administration officials who have been reaching out to …

Matthews: You mean Americans? [Italics in the MSNBC transcript.]

Miller: ... [Ayatollah] Sistani's—yes, American officials who have been reaching out to Sistani's party. Because Dr. Chalabi is on that list.

Matthews: So where—so we have an election over there. And the same day we're holding an election, the same week, we are plotting which ministries to give to Chalabi, the guy who talked us into the war in the first place.

Miller: No, no. There were expressions. There was apparently an effort to determine whether or not he would be interested in assuming a certain portfolio.

Matthews: Why are we in the business of deciding or even negotiating cabinet ministries in a foreign government?

Miller: No. Well, you know, Chris, first of all, this is just one report. But I think what is very clear, according to people I talked to today, is that they have been attempting to mend fences with him. Now understanding that as a tent [phonetic transcription] on that Sistani list, the Shia list, he will be an important person in Iraq. And I think that there will have to be a lot of rethinking on the part of the Americans with whom they want to deal.

Matthews: … the idea that the man who won his country back through the vice president's office, Ahmed Chalabi, finds his way now through all this electoral process to end up as oil minister or finance minister, as you say, interior minister—and I think he has higher ambitions than that—makes the electoral process come down to the guy who started the war, ends up winning the war, irregardless of how people vote over there.

Miller: Well, you know, I think the interesting thing was the up and down, was the kind of rise and fall of Ahmed Chalabi in this administration. On one hand, in the beginning, he was the person supported adamantly by the Defense Department. He was opposed by the State Department and the CIA …

Matthews: Right.

Miller: ... who said he had no popular support in the country...

Matthews: Right.

Miller: ... and he wouldn't be able to hold a coalition together. We've now seen that, in fact, he played a pivotal role in putting together, helping to put together the list which we don't know yet, but it may very well have done extremely well, if not won the vote.

Once again, amazing if true, and if true worthy of inclusion in the Times. But Miller's claim did not make today's (Jan. 31) New York Times' news pages. An op-ed describes Chalabi as "now disowned by the Americans who sponsored him. …"

Why isn't it in the Times? Miller tells Matthews that she hasn't talked to her newspaper and is "on vacation in Florida."

On vacation in Florida? She has the second-biggest Iraq story of the day (after the successful election) and vacation is keeping her from phoning in this scoop?!

This isn't the first time Miller has availed herself of the un-vetted freedom of the airwaves to make a spectacular claim that she didn't (or couldn't) get into the Times. On April 21, 2003, the Times published Miller's report from Iraq about the discovery of buried chemical weapon precursors by the U.S. military's MET Team Alpha. The hot copy that she couldn't move past her editors she blabbed, un-vetted, on The NewsHour With Jim Lehrer the next night. From the NewsHour transcript:

Miller: What they found is a silver bullet in the form of a person, an Iraqi individual, a scientist, as we've called him, who really worked on the programs, who knows them firsthand, and who has led MET Team Alpha people to some pretty startling conclusions that have kind of challenged the American intelligence community's under ... previous understanding of, you know, what we thought the Iraqis were doing.

Miller's silver bullet quickly turned into fool's gold, and bit by bit she backed away from the story. There were no WMD precursors. The "scientist" was a fraud.

Given her history as the discredited channeller of all things Chalabi, one wonders 1) why Matthews cast her as some sort of Iraq authority, and 2) why he didn't push her harder about her "revelation."He could easily have asked with his trademarked snort, "Judy, is this as solid as your WMD stories?" and "How good are these 'sources' and this 'one report'?"

The last, best question, "Say, Judy, Ahmad Chalabi couldn't be one of your 'sources,' could he?"

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Even a stopped clock tells the right time twice a day. For Miller's sake, I hope somebody verifies her sources' information.

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Chalabi has no chance to win anything in Iraq. When I was there for the January election not one person I spoke with had anything good to say about him....

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Then how did he get to be Deputy Prime Minister, with an invite to visit with Condi Rice this week?

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Chalabi has no chance to win anything in Iraq. When I was there for the January election not one person I spoke with had anything good to say about him....
Admit it, Chalabi was playing everyone, the US, Israel and Iran he wants to be the man for all so any lies to sustain his farce will do.
I think he should be arrested upon entry to the US for helping to misslead the US gunta (even if they did not need him for that), for being an Iranian spy and for embezelment (I don't know if Jordan is still looking to lock him up).
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The Bush inner circle is very limited. Notice how he keeps recycling people in his administraation--Rice, Karen Hughes, Wolfowicz, ets. Chalabi is their token Arab, and even though he is a scam artist and is driven entirely by personal self-interest, and even though his "intelligence" has been proven to be, time and again, faulty, he is still in the inner circle. He has the same staying power as "Official A," Karl Rove, who obviously was in on the CIA leak from the outset.

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At a local college here, it was thanks to Karl Rove who got Bush to speak at the graduation ceremony.

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At a local college here, it was thanks to Karl Rove who got Bush to speak at the graduation ceremony.
And your point is?

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At a local college here, it was thanks to Karl Rove who got Bush to speak at the graduation ceremony.
And your point is?

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