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Too bad it was wrong. Maybe we should reinstate Saddam?
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Give it a couple of years - Saddam II will pop up soon enough.

There is a difference between "inaccurate" and "made up", you know.

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If you want to know what Saddam II will look like, see Iran. 'Death to Isreal! Death to the US! Death to whatever you got! Long live beards! Long life milk!
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Only the clairvoyent knew what Saddam had at that time. With the virtue and benefit of hindsight we can now confirm that the clairvoyent were indeed, blessed with a rare gift.

We should be careful not to judge past actions using present knowledge. At the time, people know only what was available at the time and acted on it.

Too bad it was wrong. Maybe we should reinstate Saddam?

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i wouldn't call myself clairvoyant but thanks bot. i would just call it knowledgeable.. i knew he didn't have the yellow cake but you didn't want to believe that.. oh well.. and what smurfccoupe said...



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sounds very much like.. FBI used anti-assad factions in syrian politics who were in power in lebanon to assasinate harriri .. so they can take step against syria..as well make them pull their armies out of lebanon... i dont think why US has to suddenly take soo much intrest in harriri assasination.. yes harriri was a good man and syria occupied lebanon for 30 years.. it still doesnt make sense that US may attack syria over a reason which is more of a lebanese issue..

and as syrians say.. what would they get by killing harriri???

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and as syrians say.. what would they get by killing harriri???
I'm sure that the Syrians are biting their fingers with regret for what they did. Hariri was a threat to their interest in Lebanon, so they decided to take him out the evil way. It was evident that he was going to win the upcoming elections and demand Syrian troop withdrawal which happened anyway ironically.

The US just found the perfect entrance to put real pressure on Syria with the backing of the entire international community.

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Looks like the UN has passed the usual toothless wonder on the order of, "Now go away or I shall insult you a second time!"

In two months, I'm betting that Syria provides just enough compliance to avoid a meaningful resolution from the UN. In response, the UN will extend the investigation another 2 months to encourage better compliance. Repeat until exhaustion.

This is the same pattern from the UN that was tried in regards to Saddam Hussein.

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Other than the fact that they did not sew his mouth shut, it seems the UN actions against Saddam were actually working. No WMD, no threat to the US or his neighbors. I don't remember any UN actions or sanctions that told Saddam to stop being a shithead to his "people" or "else." Jim
No they weren't. Recall that the UN passed what, 12 resolutions detailing non-compliance?

I expect to see a similarly lingering foetid, festering pool of pus dribbling from the gash in New York.

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It is the analogy you draw that is faulty. In fact, the net effect of all those resolutions was that Saddam was effectively disarmed. Except for his mouth. If passing a load of wicked sounding resolutions that appear to have no teeth because they don't include removing Saddam's tongue, yet have the same effect as eliminating a bunch of badass weapons from his arsenal and cost me no extra dough than the tax I already pay for the UN, and no American lives, and no Iraqi citizens' lives, I would say the UN's methods may seem mad or even maddening, but they work. Jim
The net effect of all of those resolutions is that nobody knew what was going-on in Iraq.

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That is too easy and sets way too low a standard for figuring out where we failed and implementing some kind of learning process so we effectively improve. Without the UN resolutions and the weapons inspectors, I believe Saddam might have had those badass weapons. Most likely pointed at Iran, one of his favorite targets, while he mouthed off about wanting kill Americans to placate the local religious whack jobs. But capable of being turned into threats outside the Middle East and against America or American interests. In the end, the UN bullshit tactics appear to have worked quite well. Significantly better than our "Shock and Awe" and subsequent "boots on the ground" bullshit.

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Only the clairvoyent knew what Saddam had at that time. With the virtue and benefit of hindsight we can now confirm that the clairvoyent were indeed, blessed with a rare gift.

We should be careful not to judge past actions using present knowledge. At the time, people know only what was available at the time and acted on it.

Too bad it was wrong. Maybe we should reinstate Saddam?

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This, Bot, is an example of why you are perceived to be an appologist for the Republican Party and a supporter of their Nazi agenda. Go ahead and call me a cunt if it gets your emotions back under control.

In the early 1960's we accused the Russians and Castro of assembling offensive weapons in Cuba and went to the UN to make our case. We showed them photos of missile installations where Russians could be identified by their skin tone from Cubans. We could identify some of the stenciled identifying marks on the missiles, the shipping containers and so on, and trace that stuff back to ships that arrived on specific days, and ships that we could also show left from specific ports. Today's technology for photographing details as small as the hearts and spades on playing cards from much greater distances is nearly commercially available. Go check one of those sites that will let you find your house from space. I can identify my car in my driveway. Can't quite make out my license plates, but that does not mean it is not easily done.

If we wanted to verify Saddam had or did not have something, we have the technology to count the change in his hands from an overhead satellite, so we sure as hell could have tracked those things the UN guys were missing as the Iraqis moved them around. I, for one, was sure that was the point of all that bullshit.

When we did not find what we were looking for, it was apparent we did not even try to actually find it before we sent in the troops. It was all a lie. You like to put forth this Condoleza Rice logic of "no one could have known" when that is also a lie. We have the technology. From your discussion of what you do, you know it at least as well as I do.

There was no clairvoyance necessary if you really wanted to KNOW what Saddam had, or did not have, or what the Iraqis were moving to hide from the UN weapons inspecting weenies, or what he was hiding in the sand. There was only clairvoyance necessary if you had no clue and wanted to guess, and sort of cared if you were correct. Bush did not need clairvoyance. He didn't care what he had or did not have. He needed a cover story and used all of our good faith to hoodwink the nation.

There was no hard evidence of the quality and caliber used to establish the threat of the Soviets building a missile capability in Cuba, presented to support the US invading Iraq, even though the technology to gather such data has been enhanced by many orders of magnitude. There was a lot of hot air about what a bad boy Saddam was, but that was never the reason cited for going to war. It is true, he was a bad boy. So are lots of other rulers of Arab countries and other countries. Some have even been "reborn" and have become acceptable again. Since the failure to "find" WMD and disasterous underestimation of the resistance of the "insurgents" and misassessment of the general popular support of the insurgents by the Iraqi people, we have been offered any excuse we will buy for why we went there and why we are still there. It is all meaningless coverup bullshit. I have no problem saying I don't think America has any role using force to bring about change in another country, especially when the other country poses no threat to America. Peddling our way of life at the end of a gun barrel really isn't very far off from Hitler's agenda. If you don't see it, well, just call me a cunt again. It makes you feel better and that is apparently all that counts for you. Jim
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RE: UN Security Council to meet at Minister Level to discuss Syria… Another Iraq???

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Only the clairvoyent knew what Saddam had at that time. With the virtue and benefit of hindsight we can now confirm that the clairvoyent were indeed, blessed with a rare gift.

We should be careful not to judge past actions using present knowledge. At the time, people know only what was available at the time and acted on it.

Too bad it was wrong. Maybe we should reinstate Saddam?

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i wouldn't call myself clairvoyant but thanks bot. i would just call it knowledgeable.. i knew he didn't have the yellow cake but you didn't want to believe that.. oh well.. and what smurfccoupe said...
How did you know?

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