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Rove Admits He Lied, Where is the Indignation?

Now, he only lied to Bush, and then to the various administration oral cavities that address the press, and through them, to the people of the United States, and apparently there was no heterosexual activity involved, so someone may figure it is not a really big lie. I mean, he was probably protecting Bush afterall, as, with the facts of a situation in hand, it might be more difficult to make him believe that voice of God he listens to is not Karl or some other Nazi just sending him subliminal messages all night and day. I mean, screwing another man's wife to get back at him, well, who wouldn't do that?

"Rove Denied to Bush He Engaged in Leak By PETE YOST, Associated Press Writer
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WASHINGTON - Senior aide Karl Rove denied to President Bush that he engaged in an effort to disclose the identity of a covert CIA operative to discredit her husband's criticism of Iraq policy, say people familiar with Rove's statements in a criminal investigation.
Rove's brief discussion with Bush has been a mystery for two years because the White House publicly referred to it but refuses to say anything about it.

Beginning two years ago, the White House flatly denied that Rove had been involved in unlawfully leaking the identity of covert CIA officer Valerie Plame, the wife of former U.S. Ambassador Joseph Wilson.

The White House denials collapsed in July amid the disclosure of Time magazine reporter Matt Cooper's conversations in July 2003 about Wilson's wife with Rove and I. Lewis Libby, Vice President Dick Cheney's chief of staff.

Bush asked Rove in the fall of 2003 to assure him he was not involved in an effort to divulge Plame's identity and punish Wilson, and the longtime confidant assured the president so, people familiar with Rove's account say.

Rove, the deputy White House chief of staff, answered similarly when press secretary Scott McClellan asked him a similar question.

Those with direct knowledge of evidence gathered in the criminal investigation spoke to The Associated Press only on condition of anonymity because of grand jury secrecy.

Bush's discussion with Rove did not get into specifics concerning Rove's conversations in July 2003 with syndicated columnist Robert Novak and Cooper, who wrote stories identifying Plame, the people familiar with Rove's account said.

Rove's meeting with Bush occurred amid a public uproar over the Justice Department launching a criminal investigation of who in the administration leaked Plame's identity.

At the time, spokesman McClellan was so adamant in his denials that he told reporters the president himself knew that Rove wasn't involved in the leak.

"How does (Bush) know that?" a reporter asked.

"I'm not going to get into conversations that the president has with advisers or staff," McClellan replied.

Special prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald is wrapping up an investigation into whether Rove, Libby or other White House aides divulged Plame's identity in violation of the Intelligence Identities Protection Act.

The probe also is examining whether aides mishandled classified information, made false statements or obstructed justice.

Rove is slated to testify soon to the grand jury for the fourth time. Prosecutors told him they no longer can assure that he'll escape indictment.

Robert Luskin, Rove's attorney, declined to comment Friday on the specifics of the discussion with Bush. But he confirmed that his client maintains — then and now — he did not engage in an effort to disclose Plame's identity.

"He always truthfully denied that he was ever part of any campaign to punish Joe Wilson by disclosing the identity of his wife," Luskin said.

The New York Times and The Washington Post reported Saturday that Fitzgerald will meet Tuesday with Times reporter Judith Miller, who has compiled notes on a conversation she had with Libby. That conversation, on June 25, 2003, is in addition to two others previously disclosed. Miller spent 85 days in jail before testifying before the grand jury about her conversations with Libby.

In addition to Rove's discussions with reporters, investigators are looking into a delay in learning about Rove's contact with Cooper and an e-mail between Rove and now-national security adviser Steve Hadley that referred to the conversation.

Cooper's contact with Rove did not come up in Rove's first interview or grand jury appearance, but he volunteered the information and provided the e-mail during a second grand jury appearance.

Wilson went public on July 6, 2003, with criticism of administration officials, suggesting they manipulated intelligence about Saddam Hussein's weapons programs to justify an invasion of Iraq.

Eight days later, Novak revealed the identity of Wilson's wife, giving her maiden name, Valerie Plame, which she used as a CIA officer. Novak said his information about Wilson's wife had come from two senior administration officials.

Novak wrote that Plame suggested the CIA send her husband on a trip to Niger to investigate intelligence that Iraq had a deal to acquire uranium from the African country.

Wilson said he found it highly doubtful that any such transaction had occurred. The trip was the underpinning for Wilson's subsequent public criticism that the administration had twisted intelligence on Iraq's nuclear weapons program to exaggerate the threat."


If Bush doesn't drop the goon now, it is an indication he finds little disturbing about lying. Which we have pointed out before, as he does it all the time. Is the jury still out Bot? Wouldn't this qualify even by your criteria as an admission of lying? Jim

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If we cannot work up much indignation over the Iraq war, or over budget deficits that will bankrupt our children and grandchildren, or over an energy policy that does nothing to reduce our need for foreign oil, or over the impugning of science as suspect and the embracing of religious fanaticism as reasonable, or over our country's continued involvement in torture, or over a political system that allows scum like Tom DeLay and Karl Rove to have tremendous power, or over our casual rape of the environment, or over. . . . (fill in the blank;I'm getting tired), then we sure as hell cannot work up much indignation over Karl Rove's treasonous revelation of a CIA agent's identity and his subsequent lies about it.

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C'mon guys. All we're talking about here is subverting national security, it's not like Bush lied about getting a blowjob!
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Things are about to reach a tipping point. The Rove indictment is going to unleash a press orgy. Just be patient. The word is Bush himself may be going down over this one. He may have known about it all along - Rove didn't lie to Bush, he lied FOR him.

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Well, that was the next point. I was hoping to see one of our Bushites come out to defend the scumbag, or turn on him. But they seem to be silent.

Once you find out lying is part of their daily routine, one must question if everything is really a lie. The indignation expressed repeatedly about Clinton's lie and how unforgiveable it was even though the circumstances were entirely fabricated and the subject had nothing to do with anyone but his family, needs to contrasted to lying and committing treason.

Apparently the real issue with Clinton's lie is, and I tend to agree with this, is, why did he waste the political clout and personal torture, as President, over getting a knobber from Monika? He could have had damn near any slut in Hollywood or from around the globe. Why a piglet like her? Now if that was the issue for you Bot, you might get some sympathy. But just shutting up about Bush and hoping it will go away is peeling away your Libertarian veneer and revealing you and your following as the empty shells of personal integrity that are also your Washington DC idols.

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Well, that was the next point. I was hoping to see one of our Bushites come out to defend the scumbag, or turn on him. But they seem to be silent.

Once you find out lying is part of their daily routine, one must question if everything is really a lie. The indignation expressed repeatedly about Clinton's lie and how unforgiveable it was even though the circumstances were entirely fabricated and the subject had nothing to do with anyone but his family, needs to contrasted to lying and committing treason.

Apparently the real issue with Clinton's lie is, and I tend to agree with this, is, why did he waste the political clout and personal torture, as President, over getting a knobber from Monika? He could have had damn near any slut in Hollywood or from around the globe. Why a piglet like her? Now if that was the issue for you Bot, you might get some sympathy. But just shutting up about Bush and hoping it will go away is peeling away your Libertarian veneer and revealing you and your following as the empty shells of personal integrity that are also your Washington DC idols.

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Hey, why drag me into this? I didn't vote for Bush OR Kerry. Bodnarick, here. As I have said, many, many times, I supported their foreign policy and still do. It is a waste of time to invest hope or hate in a politician. It's YOU who get all weenie about politicians, not me, pal.

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Recall that earlier generations faced down fascism and communism not just with missiles and tanks, but with sturdy alliances and enduring convictions. They understood that our power alone cannot protect us, nor does it entitle us to do as we please. Instead, they knew that our power grows through its prudent use; our security emanates from the justness of our cause, the force of our example, the tempering qualities of humility and restraint.

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Like He said, the truth shall set you free.

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Posted by JimSmith: Once you find out lying is part of their daily routine, one must question if everything is really a lie. The indignation expressed repeatedly about Clinton's lie and how unforgiveable it was even though the circumstances were entirely fabricated and the subject had nothing to do with anyone but his family, needs to contrasted to lying and committing treason.

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This is a point that ought to be addressed by one of those unapologetic Bush supporters. It wasn't the blowjob, we were told all during Kenneth Starr's $87 million dollar fiasco--it was the LIE! Yet Clinton's lie, to spare his family's feelings and to cover his own venality, was frequently cited as grounds for impeachment and removal from office. Bush has lied about so many things by now, many of which are important in his conduct of the office of the Presidency, yet the right seems to have no problem with any of it. Right wingers, speak up, please.

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If you're talking treason, what about Clinton's giving China nuclear and rocketry technology? They couldn't hit anything with their rockets; Clinton helped them do a better job of aiming them. Was that "free trade" or was that treason?
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