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Only six dead inside the Superdome

Now that we are getting a true picture of the Superdome, I have to ask, Why were the reports so greatly exagerated? There were reports of masses of dead. Actually there were only 6, 4 of natural causes, one drug overdose and one suicide.
What does this do to the credibilty of those who trumpeted the early reports with hundreds of dead? Is there any shame from those who participated in those lies? Why does anyone still believe them?
Its sad what "news people" with a political agenda can do.
What say you who enjoyed reporting the erroneous deaths as a way to make a political point? Are you embarassed that you were "useful idiots"?
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That was good for those people

Ok, you forget about this lie and we'll forget about the one pertaining to WMD's.

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Now that we are getting a true picture of the Superdome, I have to ask, Why were the reports so greatly exagerated? There were reports of masses of dead. Actually there were only 6, 4 of natural causes, one drug overdose and one suicide.
Why would a person ready to commit suicide seek shelter from a storm?

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RE: Only six dead inside the Superdome

Only??!![:(]


hint: your compassionate conservatism is showing!
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Only??!![:(]

hint: your compassionate conservatism is showing!
Compared to infinity, six is pretty much the same as zero. From that point of view, nobody died in the superdome. That's the truth, and you've just got to accept it!

NB. They were people we don't even know, so there!

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RE: Only six dead inside the Superdome

I think the media, not being in the Superdome, were fed only rumor and reported it as fact. Funny, I found Fox News the most blatant offender of sensationalizing this stuff, and I thought it had a racist tinge to it, with an insinuation that black people were barely in control animals who turned into child rapers the minute the cops were gone. Most memorable moment was dickhead John Gibson on Fox insisting that New Orleans was "like Fallujah!". What an asshole.


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Shane,
You know very well what i meant; The six is a small number compared to the alleged hundreds.
Yes, every life is precious; do I actually have to say that?
You would rather it had been hundreds? That would further your political agenda, but at what cost?
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I do not remember excusing Fox. I have no agenda with the news; I simply want the truth, the whole tryth, and nothing but the truth. Anyone who prints less is simply propaganda for one side or the other.
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Some Reports of N.O. Violence Exaggerated
Sep 27 2:01 PM US/Eastern


By MICHELLE ROBERTS
Associated Press Writer


NEW ORLEANS


On Sept. 1, with desperate Hurricane Katrina evacuees crammed into the convention center, Police Chief Eddie Compass reported: "We have individuals who are getting raped; we have individuals who are getting beaten."

Five days later, he told Oprah Winfrey that babies were being raped. On the same show, Mayor Ray Nagin warned: "They have people standing out there, have been in that frickin' Superdome for five days watching dead bodies, watching hooligans killing people, raping people."

The ugliest reports _ children with slit throats, women dragged off and raped, corpses piling up in the basement _ soon became a searing image of post-Katrina New Orleans.

The stories were told by residents trapped inside the Superdome and convention center and were repeated by public officials. Many news organizations, including The Associated Press, carried the witness accounts and official pronouncements, and in some cases later repeated the claims as fact, without attribution.

But now, a month after the chaos subsided, police are re-examining the reports and finding that many of them have little or no basis in fact.

They have no official reports of rape and no eyewitnesses to sexual assault. The state Department of Health and Hospitals counted 10 dead at the Superdome and four at the convention center. Only two of those are believed to have been murdered.

One of those victims _ found at the Superdome _ appears to have been killed elsewhere before being brought to the stadium, said Bob Johannessen, the agency spokesman.

"It was a chaotic time for the city. Now that we've had a chance to reflect back on that situation, we're able to say right now that things were not the way they appeared," said police Capt. Marlon Defillo.

Sally Forman, a spokeswoman for Nagin, said the mayor was relying on others for his information about conditions at the evacuation sites. "He was listening to officials, trusting that information they were providing was accurate," she said.

To be sure, conditions at both sites were chaotic. Water was rising around the Superdome, home to 20,000 evacuees. Toilets were backing up, garbage was rotting, fights were breaking out. Food was in short supply at the convention center, where about 19,000 people took shelter from the rising waters. The temperature was climbing. The elderly and very young were desperate for food, water and medicine.

Police said they saw muzzle flashes at the convention center, and a National Guard member was shot in the leg when an evacuee tried to take his gun.

A week after the floodwaters poured into the city, an Arkansas National Guardsman told The Times-Picayune of New Orleans that soldiers had discovered 30 to 40 bodies inside a freezer in the convention center's food area. Guardsman Mikel Brooks told the newspaper that some of the dead appeared to have met violent ends, including "a 7-year-old with her throat cut."

When the convention center was swept, however, no such pile of bodies was found.

Lt. Col. Jacques Thibodeaux of the Louisiana National Guard said reports of violence at the Superdome and the convention center were overblown. He was head of security at the Superdome and led the 1,000 military police and infantrymen who went in to secure the center on Sept. 2.

"The incidents were highly exaggerated" _ the result of fear and hopelessness, he said. "For the amount of the people in the situation, it was a very stable environment."

Thibodeaux said his guard unit received no reports of rape.

Bill Waldron, a homicide detective from Florida in New Orleans for a murder trial, was stuck in the convention center until Sept. 1. He said he saw a couple of fights between young men, but "no murders, no rapes." He said that he did see people dying, but that those deaths were most likely a result of the heat and lack of water.

"People were wanting just some type of authority to come in and say, `Hey, this is what's going to happen,'" Waldron said. "People were scared."

New Orleans District Attorney Eddie Jordan said officials at the morgue in St. Gabriel have identified four apparent homicide victims from the city. All were shot and all were adults. Police arrested one person on suspicion of attempted sexual assault but received no official reports of rape.

Judy Benitez, executive director of the Louisiana Foundation Against Sexual Assault, cautioned that it might be too soon to say whether there really were rapes at the evacuation sites. Because the evacuees and any perpetrators have been scattered across the country by Katrina, and now Hurricane Rita, victims may come forward later, she said.

"It is extremely difficult to get good statistics about rape under normal circumstances, and these are certainly not normal circumstances," she said.

Bill Ellis, a folklorist at Pennsylvania State University, said rumors in an environment like that at the evacuation centers are to be expected, given the frightening circumstances and paucity of authoritative information.

"Rumors become improvised news. You become your own anchorman," he said.

The chaos also seemed to affect some reporters and editors, said Kelly McBride, who teaches ethics to journalists at the Poynter Institute, a journalism research and education center in St. Petersburg, Fla.

"You get so hung up as a reporter on what the big picture is that you use generalizations that become untrue," McBride said.

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Now that we are getting a true picture of the Superdome, I have to ask, Why were the reports so greatly exagerated? There were reports of masses of dead. Actually there were only 6, 4 of natural causes, one drug overdose and one suicide.
Why would a person ready to commit suicide seek shelter from a storm?
For the same reason Kamakazie pilots wore helmets
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