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If i had the opportunity,i would ask god-
"Where the fuck did you come from then?"
You could, but it would be pointless.
From a logical perspective, God answer would be quite simple.
Things are either created or eternal.
God is eternal, as such, he has always existed, has no beginning, no end. Thus, he Has no creator of His own, and has no fucking idea where the fuck he did come from, he was always around, the question is pointless.

"Reductio ad absurdum", sort of...
H: God is eternal and has a creator.

God has a creator.
He did not begin His existance before he was created.
God is eternal, he has always existed.
God existed contemporaneously to His creator.
His creator cannot have created Him.
His creator is a fraud, possibly of the human race

Either this is another fine example of the internal consistency of Scriptures, or it is another proof that the guys who wrote the Book where quite smart and have already dealt with this questions before you thought of asking.

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Too late that bridge was already sold to Lake Havasu City AZ.
Catholicism, with the exception of all that nasty killing business in the past, is very low key. My parents were usually busy, so my grandmother raised me and dragged me off to church quite often. I found the gothicness of the Latin masses and overall feel of the ornate church to be "cool as hell".

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"You could, but it would be pointless.
From a logical perspective, God answer would be quite simple.
Things are either created or eternal.
God is eternal, as such, he has always existed, has no beginning, no end. Thus, he Has no creator of His own, and has no fucking idea where the fuck he did come from, he was always around, the question is pointless.

"Reductio ad absurdum", sort of...
H: God is eternal and has a creator.

God has a creator.
He did not begin His existance before he was created.
God is eternal, he has always existed.
God existed contemporaneously to His creator.
His creator cannot have created Him.
His creator is a fraud, possibly of the human race

Either this is another fine example of the internal consistency of Scriptures, or it is another proof that the guys who wrote the Book where quite smart and have already dealt with this questions before you thought of asking."



Yes,yes,yes, but i'd want to hear him* speak up for himself*

*her or it.

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"I found the gothicness of the Latin masses and overall feel of the ornate church to be "cool as hell".

Gothic architecture is literally awesome,but for the rest of the experience i think i will stick to reading a little Stoker or Shelley and maybe take in a Cure concert[8D]


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"I found the gothicness of the Latin masses and overall feel of the ornate church to be "cool as hell".

Gothic architecture is literally awesome,but for the rest of the experience i think i will stick to reading a little Stoker or Shelley and maybe take in a Cure concert[8D]

You can bet your flying buttress on that

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I would rather be ridiculed by a hundred wise men on earth than a million idiots in the firey depths of hell.
good point.....
its like this.......



So you both believe it to be wise to acknowledge and venerate an omnipotent entity of which there is no tangible evidence incase it notices your sceptisism and condemns you to an eternity in the burning fires of hell? You guys certainly scare easily and would appear to be both gullible and impressionable.

Let me see,come over to London,i can let you have this bridge at a very reasonable price.Or maybe you would be interested in these five magic beans.....[:o)]
my grandma has filled my head with such crap, about "its evil" (anything in the modern world, basicly), and the devil, and "ur gonna burn forever, unless u GO TO CHURCH!".....and all this other crap, that i can appeciate the logic of "covering my ass", just in case SHE WAS RIGHT.....(which i'm SURE she's NOT, but still.......people used to be SURE that the earth was flat, earth the center of the universe, etc. etc....)
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Folks who need proof of god will never find it. Folks who need faith in god already have it.

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Just as the human mind is not a blank slate on which culture would somehow imprint its content, the communication process is not a xerox machine copying contents from one mind to another. This is where I part company not just from your standard semiologists or social scientists who take communication to be a coding-decoding system, a transmission system, biased only by social interests, by power, by intentional or unconscious distortions, but that otherwise could deliver a kind of smooth flow of undistorted information. I also part company from Richard Dawkins who sees cultural transmission as based on a process of replication, and who assume that imitation and communication provide a robust replication system.



AN EPIDEMIOLOGY OF REPRESENTATIONS [7.27.05]
A Talk with Dan Sperber Â*

Introduction

Dan Sperber is a French anthropologist who has focused on the more cognitive, more naturalist, approaches linked to evolution. "For a long time," he says, "my ideas were not very well received among anthropologists. They’ve been discussed a lot, but I found myself spending too much time with my fellow anthropologists arguing the basics of the field rather than moving forward in research. I got involved in linguistics, experimental psychology, philosophy of science, evolutionary biology, and lots of fascinating topics—and continuing also the conversation with anthropologists. Anthropology is a discipline that has been in crisis all my life."

Dan Sperber's parents were both eastern-European Jews; his father, Manes Sperber, a famous novelist, was born in Galicia, grew up in Vienna, then moved to Germany. He met his mother, who came from Latvia, in France in the 30s . Manes Sperber was a Communist, was very active in the party, but left the party at the time of the Moscow trials. Sperber was born in France. "That's my culture," he says. "I am French. Still, there are French people who are much more French than I am. They have roots as they say, but the image of roots has always made me smile. You know, I'm not a plant."

The reason he gives for having become an anthropologist is that he was raised an atheist. There was no god in the family. His father, Manes Sperber, was from a Jewish family, had refused to do his bar mitzvah, and he transmitted zero religion to his son, but at the same time, he had deep respect for religious people. There was no sense that they are somehow inferior. This left the young Sperber with a puzzle: how can people, intelligent decent people, be so badly mistaken?



Sperber is known for his work in developing a naturalistic approach to culture under the name of "epidemiology of representations", and, with British linguist Deirdre Wilson, for developing a cognitive approach to communication known as "Relevance Theory". Both the epidemiology of representations and relevance theory has been influential and controversial.



He is also known for his early work on the anthropology or religion, in which he tried to understand, in a generalist manner and in a positive way (i.e. without making them into idiots), why people could be religious. He took part in classical anthropological studies but he also argued from the start that you have to look at basic innate mental structures, which, he argued, "played quite an important role in the very possibility of religious beliefs, in the fact that, more generally, beliefs in the supernatural fixate in the way they do in the human mind, are so extraordinarily catching".



Sperber's "catchiness", a theory he has been exploring for a generation, connects with Malcolm Gladwell's idea of a "tipping point". "I've never met Gladwell, " he says, "but when his book came out, many people sent me the book, or told me to read it, telling me that here's the same kind of thing you've been arguing for a long time. Yes, you get the kind of epidemiological process of something gradually, almost invivibly spreading in a population and then indeed reaching a “tipping point.� That's the kind of dynamic you may find with epidemiological phenomena. Still, I don't believe that Gladwell or anybody else, myself included, has a satisfactory understanding of the general causes of the dynamics of cultural distribution.�

" Now, if I could just write with the slickness of Gladwell, and coin one of his best-selling titles such as Blink! or The Tipping Point. . . but I guess I would also have to give up trying to convey much of the hard substance of my work. Oh well..".



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[QUOTE]Botnst - 9/19/2005 9:31 AM

Folks who need proof of god will never find it. Folks who need faith in god already have it.

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Gee I did not realize faith was so easy to come by?
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Folks who need proof of god will never find it. Folks who need faith in god already have it.

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Still trying to justify life through your personal experiences. Weak.
Unable to express an original thought, you belittle those who can.

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