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Abortion is killing a child not yet born.
Exactly. And contraception is killing a child not yet conceived.
Potential of life is not life. An unborn child is not potential life, it is life.
Botnst's and your statements are not equivalent thought processes.
The question goes back once more to, when does life begin:
Clearly, it cannot have begun before conception.
Has it begun when the eggs is fertilized? On this people of good will will never agree. I'm partial to say that it is no more alive than a kidney (then again, people don't sacrifice a kidney unless it is dysfuntional, but that is the personal issue others have described and to which I subscribe) until all higher brain functions are functional and functioning correctly.

This is where there is a possible dreakdown in Botnst's incremental approach of day n to day n+1. That could also make a limit such as "abortions allowed until the n'th week of pregnancy" pointless, although it could be a valid guildeline, within +/- a few days.
Egg cells and sperm cells are most definitely alive. Heck, epithelial cells of the skin and intestine are alive. I think we need to place a more emotional weight on the thing to make it worth arguing.

I think that most people, regardless of culture, object to killing human beings. But most people make exceptions to that general rule under certain grave (!) circumstances. Each of us has our own personal list of exceptions to the taboo of killing otehr folks.

Sperm and egg are alive and the zygote is alive. And the post-partum human is alive and the human, old and frail on the deathbed, is still alive. I think it was Haldane who said that a person is just sperms' way of making more sperm.

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By your collective logic,

... anyone who cracks an egg open for breakfast should be instantly reported to PETA, and

... a woman's menstrual cycle kills one baby a month until menopause.

No wonder you're on medication.



Oookay.

'Splain this to me, please.

What is life?

Thank you.

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post #222 of 273 (permalink) Old 09-25-2005, 11:23 PM
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life is constantly going to work, BenzWorld-ing, and sleeping, with minor amounts of pleasure in between......


i bet that for lots of people, life isnt very much different.....

i'll tell u one thing, living in a "godless" universe sure can be boring sometimes.....

kinds hard to be happy, when u KNOW all thats gonna happen is the same old depressing routine, and u have no delusions of "things getting better, and Jesus is Coming" , and all...........
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My turn, my turn -

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Life = shit

If it's alive, it produces excrement of one kind or another.

If not, it's either a pre-life organism, or a post-life comfort system.


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i'll tell u one thing, living in a "godless" universe sure can be boring sometimes.....
now someone understand the purpose of Mohammed the Prophet!!
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i'll tell u one thing, living in a "godless" universe sure can be boring sometimes.....
now someone understand the purpose of Mohammed the Prophet!!
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He gloats like a buttered rye, and stinks like a pee.

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He gloats like a buttered rye, and stinks like a pee.
Hahahahaha!!!!

I actually spit my coffee on the computer screen.

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Alright, suppose I decide to look at this from a non-theistic perspective. It introduces a number of basic questions.

The body has a number of subsystems. If the logic behind evolution is that bodily subsystems develop on an as needed basis, then please explain the order in which these were developed, and why: mouth, throat, stomach, small intestine, large intestine, and anus. These subsystems are all interdependent. If one of these six is taken away, the subject doesn’t adequately digest five sixths of the necessary food, they digest no food and die (unless it's the anus that doesn't develope, then the subjects swells up and explodes). Therefore, without one another, the other systems are worthless. Does evolution allow for the development of worthless subsystems that miraculously fit together? It seems that all these subsystems must have all developed simultaneously. If so, who/what coordinated the construction? Doesn’t the parallel development of separate components imply a design? If there is design, what does that imply? What was the body doing for food while these systems were being developed? What was the body doing for air while respiratory system was being constructed? Ditto the circulatory system. Ditto the immune system. Et cetera.

Supposing I can get past all the problems involved in all the subsystems necessary for one person to live. How is it that the male/female reproductive organs are a perfect fit each other? Each gender is a completely separate living creature. How was the information passed between the two genders and an agreement established as to which gender would be responsible for it’s specific functions? Supposing the information was somehow passed between the two genders, are we to believe that both individual creatures “evolved� at the same time? Wouldn’t that “same time� have to be one single lifetime? If it took more than one lifetime, the species would have perished.
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