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People keep talking about Roberts' integrity, I don't get it. The guy ruled in Bush's favor on his case while being considered for SC nomination. A judge with integrity would have recused himself just because of the appearance of a conflict of interest.
Actually, that's not a fair description -- and the issue was dicussed in some detail during the confirmation hearings (second round, if I recall correctly). In the Circuit case you're referencing, briefs had been filed, oral arguments had concluded, post-hearing briefs had been submitted, research and voting was complete, and Roberts had already reviewed the opinion that was being circulated among the Judges before the opinion was published -- which he didn't write but had already voted on and joined. All of that occurred before he was nominated (originally for Justice O'Connor), although the opinion itself was officially issued after the nomination. Only nonsense would require that he recuse himself at that point.

In lay terms there are two basic kinds of recusal: required and discretionary. Other than those that can't stand Roberts simply because he was nominated by a President they despise, no one who has examined the issue has concluded that Roberts should have recused himself on either basis. In fact, nothing in the confirmation process required him to defend the process in that case, but he discussed it at length -- which further demonstrates his judicial integrity, as well as his willingness to be forthcoming about things that wouldn't hinder his ability to have an open mind in the future.
Well, I missed where it was discussed in the hearings then. You seem to be missing my point; I don't really care when he was NOMINATED. It was days after the decision was made. Are you saying Roberts had no idea he was about to be nominated, and it had no influence on his decision?

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For many issues there is no black or white choice. Row v Wade for example. His personal stand on that issue would most likey be his professional one as well.
Curious why you think this? I don't know what his personal stand is, since he's talked about both sides of the coin on this. But why would you think that his personal stand would be the same as his judicial one? If anything became clear to me from what I've heard in these hearings, its that he wouldn't allow his personal stance on anything to color his judicial position.
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RE: Roberts - Sounds like a good lawyer for a guilty criminal, but as a Supreme Court Chief Justice?

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For many issues there is no black or white choice. Row v Wade for example. His personal stand on that issue would most likey be his professional one as well.
Curious why you think this? I don't know what his personal stand is, since he's talked about both sides of the coin on this. But why would you think that his personal stand would be the same as his judicial one? If anything became clear to me from what I've heard in these hearings, its that he wouldn't allow his personal stance on anything to color his judicial position.
This was my point. He assumes the position of his boss based on his past performance, and the question is, who does he perceive as his boss as Chief Justice of the United States Supreme Court? If it is the guy who appointed him, and that seems to be part of the pattern, we are in trouble, what with that guy being a Nazi and all. Jim
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RE: Roberts - Sounds like a good lawyer for a guilty criminal, but as a Supreme Court Chief Justice?

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This was my point. He assumes the position of his boss based on his past performance, and the question is, who does he perceive as his boss as Chief Justice of the United States Supreme Court? If it is the guy who appointed him, and that seems to be part of the pattern, we are in trouble, what with that guy being a Nazi and all. Jim
That a big IF! From listening to the man, it sounds like his boss is the rule of law and the constitution of the United States (damn, that sounds so stinkin cliche). He seemed to fully understand and be capable of interpreting those bosses as well. I didn't hear him say anything that indicated that hew thought he'd be beholden to GW.

I agree that it would be scary if we had a CJ of the SC that thought he answered to the man who appointed him.
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RE: Roberts - Sounds like a good lawyer for a guilty criminal, but as a Supreme Court Chief Justice?

I hope we get folks appointed who interpret law based on what the Constitution says.

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