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School board: Intelligent design isn't

Buttars' pitch can't sway unanimous 'no' vote

To borrow a line from Dorothy: We're not in Kansas anymore.

Unlike the Kansas School Board, which earlier this summer approved allowing educators to teach theories in addition to evolution that explain life on Earth, the Utah Board of Education on Friday unanimously approved a position statement supporting the continued exclusive teaching of evolution in state classrooms.

Only two people out of the dozens who attended Friday's meeting sided with Sen. Chris Buttars, R-West Jordan, and his proposal to allow teaching "intelligent design" as a theory to explain the origins of life.

Intelligent design asserts that an intelligent force created the universe. Though advocates claim the theory does not attempt to identify the designer, many of them are affiliated with explicitly Christian-centered organizations.

One, William Dembski, who heads the Center for Theology and Science at Louisville (Ky.) Southern Seminary, even argues in his book, Intelligent Design: The Bridge Between Science & Theology, that the designer must be the god Christians worship.

The school board ignored Buttars' complaint that board members never invited proponents of intelligent design to participate in drafting the position statement.

The board also chose to decline his request to delay voting on the document until the senator could give a two-hour presentation arguing for intelligent design.

During the public comment period, Buttars repeated his intention to either introduce legislation to require intelligent design be a school topic, or place the issue on next year's ballot in the form of a referendum.

Speaking to board members, 10 scientists and researchers representing disciplines including biology, chemistry, geology, paleontology and engineering tried to dismantle the contention that intelligent design is based on sound science.

Instead, many called it pseudoscience and agreed with Duane Jeffery, a Brigham Young University biology professor, who put it in the same category as astrology and pyramid power.

"By definition, science does not attempt to explain the world by invoking the supernatural," University of Utah bioengineering professor Gregory Clark told the board.

"Intelligent design fails as science because it does exactly that - it posits that life is too complex to have arisen from natural causes, and instead requires the intervention of an intelligent designer who is beyond natural explanation. Invoking the supernatural can explain anything, and hence explains nothing."

Such attacks are nothing new, said Casey Luskin, a policy analyst at the Seattle-based Discovery Institute Center for Science & Culture, a right-leaning nonprofit policy and research organization.

"Intelligent design is not just a negative argument against evolution," he said. As an example, Luskin cited the Search for Extraterrestrial Intelligence (SETI) Institute in California. Its Project Phoenix uses radio telescopes in places such as Australia, West Virginia and Puerto Rico to "listen" for signals that would provide evidence of other technological civilizations in the universe.

"SETI is an attempt to identify intelligent design in radio signals from outer space, signals with an intelligent origin rather than a natural origin," he said. "If we can try to detect intelligent design in signals we receive from outer space, why can't we detect intelligent design in genetic codes we see in biology?"

Buttars insisted that all he wants is equal time in the classroom - and it doesn't have to be the science classroom.

"Whenever anyone challenges the evolution people, they go berserk," he said. "[Evolution] is not a fact . . . We're dealing with censorship here. If we only taught Shakespeare in English class, that wouldn't be fair."

Some of the scientists retorted that science is not a democracy.

"Legitimacy is not determined by public opinion polls, radio and TV talks shows, privately published books and, most certainly, not by legislation," said Richard Tolman, a professor of biology and science education at Utah Valley State College.

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I am totally against creationism. So there, it's off my chest [:I]

However, there is one benefit to that theory. And I think I know why every religious nutheads want acceptance of that.

Simpleton answer --- SEX!!!!!

You see, in the beginning there was only Adam and Eve. So where do we get this many people around? That's right...... you got it!!!

Hum.....come to think of it. I need to give my baby sister a call to see if she can come over and discuss with the creationism theory.

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Oh, that's good. Let's look for evidence of ID in genetic codes. What would be acceptable as evidence? I'm thinking nothing less than a signature in English...

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Oh, that's good. Let's look for evidence of ID in genetic codes. What would be acceptable as evidence? I'm thinking nothing less than a signature in English...
Well, if it could be proven that the genetic code is completely described by an assemblage of a limited number of components, say, four bases, and if it could be proven that these four based had affinities for each other, say in specific pairs, ID would be proven beyond all doubt. If in a twist, God had decided that such would be contained in an elegant geometrical design, say a double helical structure, then the most recalcitrant among us would have to admit that ID is fact. If nay sayers remained, I propose we deride them and label them with the moniker "scientists".

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Oh, that's good. Let's look for evidence of ID in genetic codes. What would be acceptable as evidence? I'm thinking nothing less than a signature in English...
Well, if it could be proven that the genetic code is completely described by an assemblage of a limited number of components, say, four bases, and if it could be proven that these four based had affinities for each other, say in specific pairs, ID would be proven beyond all doubt. If in a twist, God had decided that such would be contained in an elegant geometrical design, say a double helical structure, then the most recalcitrant among us would have to admit that ID is fact. If nay sayers remained, I propose we deride them and label them with the moniker "scientists".
Crap. You got me. Please don't call me a "scientist", please?

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Hey Kansas! Get a clue from the liberal infidels in Utah! [:D]

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Oh, that's good. Let's look for evidence of ID in genetic codes. What would be acceptable as evidence? I'm thinking nothing less than a signature in English...
Well, if it could be proven that the genetic code is completely described by an assemblage of a limited number of components, say, four bases, and if it could be proven that these four based had affinities for each other, say in specific pairs, ID would be proven beyond all doubt. If in a twist, God had decided that such would be contained in an elegant geometrical design, say a double helical structure, then the most recalcitrant among us would have to admit that ID is fact. If nay sayers remained, I propose we deride them and label them with the moniker "scientists".
Crap. You got me. Please don't call me a "scientist", please?
Unfortunately, and understand that it is not a matter of opinion or in any way judgmental on my part, you fit the most stringent definition of the word.
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next step.. they would teach sexuality and for the sake simple practicality.. they will unite the class males with the females in private, naked and a couple of condoms on hand

dont ask what will happen when it comes to teaching STD.. u will figure it out when ur kids come back home green

Fuel economy!! whats that??
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Kansas To Begin Teaching Intelligent Design, Faith Healing

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The Kansas Bored of Education has tentatively approved new state science standards that weaken the role evolution plays in teaching about the origin of life, despite the extremely large body of evidence and facts supporting Darwin's theory. The new science standards will begin teaching the theory of Intelligent Design (ID), a glorified version of creation.

The approved draft essentially ensures a victory for conservative Christian board affiliates (they would not let us refer to them as “members� due to the pornographic nature of the word) who heard from some minister on a 4:30am TV infomercial that Evolution is largely unproven, while the more biblically correct creation, which states that an enigmatic omni-presence with a long white beard and sandals who watches us all from the clouds (but must close his eyes when women get undressed) created all of life 6,000 years ago out of sand, makes perfect sense.

The 6-4 vote, decided more on the basis of personal beliefs than any kind of real analysis of evidence, has Kansas joining Minnesota, Ohio, and New Mexico as school systems which have set their students' education back 150 years. Plus, think of the money saved on textbooks when students need only bring the family Bible to class.

So what is next for the revolutionaries on the Kansas Board of Education? Other programs Kansas is considering teaching alongside established knowledge:

1. Blindness, broken bones, cancer, and other maladies can be cured by prayer and the power of Jesus (for a fee of just $49.95) just as well as through the study of medicine and the germ theory of disease.

2. Weather systems could be created by witches who have sex with demons just as easily as varying changes in pressure and temperature in the atmosphere.

3. Slaughtering, chopping up into pieces, and burning livestock and children can help a person grow hardy crops more than current agricultural knowledge and irrigation.

4. The Sun and all the planets revolve around the Earth and the images and calculations created by high-power telescopes are an illusion put in your eye by the devil.

5. Holy law, as handed down by the Lord in Exodus is to be taught alongside civics and study of the constitution.

6. A more critical approach to the Declaration of Independence, which states that all men are created equal, despite what the Bible says about God's people being chosen.

7. Teachers will be free to discuss God's acceptance of slavery along with the Emancipation Proclamation and the Civil Rights movement.

8. Doing homework on Sunday is punishable by death (from public stoning, of course).

The board says it is not worried about the credibility of students educated under the Kansas public education system in the world community. “If we have a need for science and technology, we'll just rely on China and India like we always have� said a board spokesman.


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