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thanks bot.

tcp_, you're off on #2.. they do have links to the terrorist..


personally, we should have been paying way more attention to Iran and not waste the effort in Iraq but then that's done.. i believe they are working on nukes and will point them towards tel-aviv as soon as they can..

we'll see about the UN or EU.. hopefuly they will step up to the plate..



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Now that'll teach the US to go selling the best combat aircraft in the world to anyone with the cash, won't it?

Presently Iran's Revolutionary air force has in service:

40 F4D Phantom II
This aircraft has lookdown/shootdown and a weapons layout of 4 AIM7 and 4 AIM9, plus ground attack, supersonic at sea level and around 2.14 Mach at altitude, in BVR combat especially it's every bit as dangerous as an F-15A, F-16A or F/A-18A although not quite as sophisticated.

177 F4E Phantom II
Adds an internal 20mm gun to the above. Newer aircraft still have the edge in excess thrust during dogfight, but you wouldn't want to go making any mistakes.

45 F5 Tiger II
Does the job of an F-16 in the ground attack role, not nearly as sophisticated but it was the redesign of this aircraft which led to the Northrop YF-17 from which F/A-18 Hornets were derived. Not to be ignored or underestimated, it's as dangerous as many eastern bloc air combat fighters and it isn't even used for that.

20 F14A Tomcats
The rest were scavenged for parts and Iran never got their hands on more than 300-odd AIM54 Pheonix missiles. Apparently they've adapted a SAM to air-to-air that can be fitted. Past IAF successes were due to the Pheonix and its powerful radar and weapons system makes Tomcats one of the most dangerous aircraft in the world at any time. The US will definitely lose aircraft to these.

24 Mirage F1
A top little French interceptor, these are just like an F-16 only faster, somewhat less sophisticated.

44 Su20/22 Fitters
These came recently. A very powerful and effective ground attack aircraft. Get a Warthog and cross it with a Viper, you've got a Fitter.

24 Su24 Fencers
Another swing-wing, these look like a Russian F111, only better than an Ardvaark. Cross one with an F/A-18D and you're close. It's a penetration all weather day/night attack aircraft and a new one too.

unknown number Su25 Frogfoots
These are the Russian A10 Warthog. Tanks start to quiver in their tracks around these.

9 MiG23 Floggers
About en par with the Mirage F1 only better performance, these are a Cold War relic best suited to escort or limited use, but certainly powerful air combat fighters.

19 MiG27 Floggers
Ground attack variant of the above. Every bit as good as an F-16 in this role.

4 MiG29 Fulcrums
US pilots rate the fly by wire variant of these as "probably the best dogfighter in the world today, a match for any Hornet, and easy to fly." Doesn't quite have the load bearing abilities of US warplanes but it's a counter-air fighter, a cheap one, and a very, very well made one of a new design.
Match it with the R77 AMRAAM class missiles and take it up against Eagles.

unknown number MiG31 Foxhound
Okay there's a massive controversy about this aircraft in an air combat role, originally a redesign of the infamous and overstated (but 3.2 Mach capable), MiG25 Foxbat which is a very limited role strategic interceptor and tactical bomber-reconnaisance.
So get something designed to chase down Blackbirds, make it work better at sea level, throw in digital technology and a Tomcat's weapons and you've got a Foxhound.
This thing will cruise at 2.83 Mach, and this is only an airframe limit, used as a "guideline," the engines themselves can actually pump out something like 81,000lbs of augumented thrust, ie. think: spacelaunch style acceleration.
But apparently it's dogfighting capabilities are like that of a brick (although I don't think there'd be any shortage of excess thrust).

7 Tu22M Backfires
It's a B1B only better. Kinda looks like an oversized MiG or F-15.

10 F8M Jian-8's
Get a MiG21 Finback and put twin engines with F4 intakes in it, the avionics suite of an F-16C and you've got an F8M. It's supposed to be about equivalent to any Mirage 2000, F-16C or F/A-18. It's better and more manoeuvrable at altitude, does 2.2 Mach and takes more combat damage, but the Viper has the manoeuvrability goods at low altitude. Yep, it's dangerous, brand new and cheaper than an F-16.

Well, that concludes our tour of the aircraft that'll be killing US combat pilots soon. As a wise man once said, you made your bed...

Oh congratulate Congress on their recent sale of F-15E Strike Eagles to the Bin Laden family in Saudi Arabia for me, will you? No, I don't see a problem at all.
Best combat aircrafts? LOL! Dude, I will put myself up against the Iranian AirForce anyday and the only thing I would have to worry about is running out of missles before I can shoot them all down. I do not know where you got your information from but please remove this topic because you have no clue as to what you are talking about.
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Now if we could only send in James Bond and sabotage their reactor when they turn it on and make it look like an accident.........
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Do the french have their version of James Bond, cause 007 is currently on another assigment:

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The Tu-22's and the SU-24's would pose the biggest problem depending on the ordenance that they carry. Esspecially now that the Tomcat is being taken out of service. As for the Iranian Tomcats, I wouldn't worry too much about those, last report I heard (if its accurate) the Iranians are so short on spare parts that they only have a few that can fly in combat. However if they do have Mig-31's then you've definetly got a problem on your hands. But, like we've seen in Iraq the real headaches of war with a 3rd world country only begin when you start walking through peoples back yards with weapons. If Korea or China ever come into play, then the U.S will have a real fight on its hands.

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Now if we could only send in James Bond and sabotage their reactor when they turn it on and make it look like an accident.........
The last time the French tried that James Bond stuff was in Tahiti in the 1980's. It didn't work out for them.

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tcp_, you're off on #2.. they do have links to the terrorist..
I apologize for misleading the reader, all the points I laid above were in utter derision. So was the concluding argument.

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The Tu-22's and the SU-24's would pose the biggest problem depending on the ordenance that they carry. Esspecially now that the Tomcat is being taken out of service. As for the Iranian Tomcats, I wouldn't worry too much about those, last report I heard (if its accurate) the Iranians are so short on spare parts that they only have a few that can fly in combat. However if they do have Mig-31's then you've definetly got a problem on your hands. But, like we've seen in Iraq the real headaches of war with a 3rd world country only begin when you start walking through peoples back yards with weapons. If Korea or China ever come into play, then the U.S will have a real fight on its hands.
Yeah, best I've been able to research suggests although they've got 20 flyable Tomcats, only 7 can be put in the air at any given time. These they may again use in the AWACS capacity they did in Desert Storm and avoid air combat, esepecially since the Russian and Chinese equipment they've been receiving has been only since 1991 (hence the small numbers of things like MiG29s).


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Best combat aircrafts? LOL! Dude, I will put myself up against the Iranian AirForce anyday and the only thing I would have to worry about is running out of missles before I can shoot them all down. I do not know where you got your information from but please remove this topic because you have no clue as to what you are talking about.
Oh please, enlighten me. I always enjoy clarifications from the redneck quater. You'd be using a Mississippi everglades airboat with a scattergun taking on these Fulcrums and Foxhounds, I assume?

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He's right you know, don't underestimate these guys. If they have decent training and tactics then they can actually give the U.S a black eye. Even in desert storm the iraqis almost managed to sneak up and take out an E-3 AWACS (probably the most heavliy guarded plane in any U.S Theatre of operation) The biggest worry for the U.S would be the three Kilo class diesel-electric submarines that the Iranians managed to get a hold of. When these things turn off there engines and sit around they are truly like a hole in the water (something no nuclear sub can ever do because its impossible for them to just turn off their reactors and pumps) And as if that isn't bad enough they are covered with anechoic tiles to asorb the sounds from active sonars. Ever try to turn a large ship around to avoid a torpedo in the Straits of Hormuz? yeah, thats not exactly easy....

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Yeah, Iraqi air forces almost managed to do all kind shit before they got shot down trying to get the hell out of the air. A not so small portion of teh Iraqi air force flew to Iran, blessing the Iranian air force with all kinds of new 1980's hardware. The USAF has been shooting-down mirages since the Navy zapped'em in Libya (or were they Migs?). Anyway, I don't think an air force has stood-up to the USAF ince 1944 or so. The Soviet pilots in Korea gave a good show and they did so again in Vietnam, but they never challenged air dominance in either theater, did they?

Didn't Super_Dave say he'd flown missions there and Kosovo? Anybody else want to make that claim?

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