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As much as KV and others delight in posting anti war rants in an effort to regain political power for the extreme left wing of the democrat party you should consider this;
The main stream of the democrat party would do exactly as mr Bush has done--stay the course. You don't see ANY of the presidential hopefuls running to Ms Sheehan's side for a photo op.
All you can hope to accomplish is to split the democrat party into tiny splinters. Keep up the good work.

Oh, by the way, Bush's poll number are up ( not tanking), and the military has met its recruiting goals, and the economy continues to perk along quite nicely, thank you very much.
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Recall that earlier generations faced down fascism and communism not just with missiles and tanks, but with sturdy alliances and enduring convictions. They understood that our power alone cannot protect us, nor does it entitle us to do as we please. Instead, they knew that our power grows through its prudent use; our security emanates from the justness of our cause, the force of our example, the tempering qualities of humility and restraint.

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I've not said a word about Sheehan mostly because I think she IS a kook with an agenda. But how about the average Joe American who still wants to know why we attacked an entire country in search of an enemy that was foreign to it's soil? Wrong way Callahan (Bush) is staying the course while OBL barks orders from areas unknown on that big fucking walkie-talkie of his.

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Sheehan's value is that she points up the fact that Bush is essentially a sociopath who has no conscience, a fact many people have known for years, and that only now the public is finally becoming aware of. He is an unrecovered alcoholic, a self-centered son of a bitch who cares for no one but himself. Sheehan's crusade does a marvelous job of pointing that up, but even more, it is doing major damage to the Right Wing Propaganda Machine, by showing everyone that it really doesn't matter who critizes the right wing or why they do it, the right wing will swiftboat them with a viciousness unprecedented in US politics, using lies and smears at every chance. Kind of makes a lot of people think twice about people like Richard Clarke, Joe Wilson, and a few dozen other people who these pig fucks have gone after, doesn't it? But where it is really working is with women voters. Polls show men of both parties do not care for Ms. Sheehan. Women are another story. It is every women's greatest fear that she will lose a child. This woman has, and the callousness shown her by Bush and the utter vitriol of the Hannity-Limbaugh-Coulter clique is going to lose them this group, and they will lose them for a long time. Read her writings- she comes across as an average mother, no flowery language, no polished sloganeering, instead her simple anguish comes thru loud and clear. For this Coulter calls her a "Stalinist agitprop", Hannity screams at her that she is "dishonoring" her son, and Limbaugh calls her a "forgerer" while O'reilly says her actions "border on treason". The tone and screaming nature of their language, directed at some everyday person who lost her kid to a war the average person is less and less sure he even understands at all, is going to hurt them a whole lot more than it hurts her. Some way to treat a lady who gave more to this country than any of those assfucks ever did. Maybe if they stuck a feeding tube down her throat and put her in a coma they would be happy with her.

Recall that earlier generations faced down fascism and communism not just with missiles and tanks, but with sturdy alliances and enduring convictions. They understood that our power alone cannot protect us, nor does it entitle us to do as we please. Instead, they knew that our power grows through its prudent use; our security emanates from the justness of our cause, the force of our example, the tempering qualities of humility and restraint.

-President Barack Obama, 1st Inaugural address
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In case you missed this week's top story, I half-agreed with something a New York Times editor wrote in a "Letter to the Editor" of his own paper. If nothing else, at least Bill Keller now knows how it feels to have to write an angry letter to the editors of The New York Times.

I wouldn't have mentioned it, but now that Keller has opened the door, Judge Posner did write a ridiculous review.

Reviewing a spate of books about the media last month, federal appellate court judge Richard Posner argued that all the complaints about the media from the right and left simply reflected how market forces are changing the news business. He says the mainstream media are "more liberal than they used to be" and attributes that to "the rise of new media ... pushing the already liberal media farther left."

His premise is obviously true — no industry can remain immune from the laws of supply and demand as long as there is competition. After a century of running an oligopoly, media chieftains are now facing competition for the first time — from the Internet, radio and cable TV. The Internet alone ensures that the supply will not abate.

But the result Posner sees doesn't correspond with either the laws of capitalism or my TV screen.

The old media aren't moving left: They already were left. If anything, they are moving to the right. (This can be hard to detect inasmuch as Pravda was their starting point.) When they resist, they lose customers.

That was precisely Keller's complaint with Posner. He objected to the idea that the august New York Times is subject to the laws of capitalism, blathering about reporters' "idealism" and their commitment to the craft of journalism, blah, blah, blah. Of course, if I were losing readers as fast as The New York Times, I might want to believe I was immune to the laws of the market, too.

Posner's description of the media, then and now, leaves the impression that he does not himself consume the news. Contrary to evidence, he says: "The rise of the conservative Fox News Channel caused CNN to shift to the left. CNN was going to lose many of its conservative viewers to Fox anyway, so it made sense to increase its appeal to its remaining viewers by catering more assiduously to their political preferences."

Now that's what I call a business model: American news consumers are moving to the right. Quick, let's move to the left!

It doesn't make economic sense that CNN would respond to the runaway success of Fox News by moving to the left, as Posner claims. In every other industry, competitors follow trends; they don't run from them. When a reduced-calorie snack food is introduced and becomes a hit, that doesn't "push" the other snack food companies to roll out their own "extra-calorie!" versions.

I enjoy making fun of CNN as much as the next guy, but CNN is not that liberal. It may be liberal compared to an average American, but it's certainly not liberal compared to CNN pre-Fox News. Consider that Peter Arnett used to be treated as a serious journalist on CNN. Even his work on the "Tailwind" hoax program did not jeopardize his standing.

Now, even MSNBC won't hire him. (Although I hear Arnett has a big interview at al-Jazeera next week — good luck, Peter!) After initially trying to stand by him, NBC was forced to fire Arnett after Americans erupted in fury at his traitorous comments on Saddam's state-run TV at the outset of the Iraq war. This is what liberals mean when they say the country has become "polarized." Now when they try to put traitors on air, Americans complain.

Indeed, the only network still assiduously following Posner's "give the consumers what they don't want" business model is MSNBC. They will go to dead air before giving a conservative his own TV show (except poor, lonely Joe Scarborough, who has a terrific show — if only anyone knew how to find MSNBC on the dial!).

Turning on TV and seeing Wolf Blitzer instead of Peter Arnett is not evidence of the media becoming more polarized. It's evidence of the media becoming more sane.

Instead of recycling tidbits he picked up from books written by people who subscribe to the bizarre notion that the media has a conservative bias, Posner should occasionally consume some media himself. It's a wondrous example of the virtue of competition. The country isn't more divided. All that has happened is that, now, conservatives are talking, too.

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Amazing how you guys miss the point; it must deliberate!
The main-stream leaders of your party will not change anything, if they get the chance.
You are anti-Bush. But even if you could eliminate him and install your own people, there would not be any significant change in the Iraq policy.
So what are you hopping to accomplish?
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Your post would be far more tauntingly effective if you replaced the word Division with Unity, then it would be an oxymoron--right now it's just status quo.
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Amazing how you guys miss the point; it must deliberate!
The main-stream leaders of your party will not change anything, if they get the chance.
You are anti-Bush. But even if you could eliminate him and install your own people, there would not be any significant change in the Iraq policy.
So what are you hopping to accomplish?
Dude, you really need to listen more to Howard Dean.

Recall that earlier generations faced down fascism and communism not just with missiles and tanks, but with sturdy alliances and enduring convictions. They understood that our power alone cannot protect us, nor does it entitle us to do as we please. Instead, they knew that our power grows through its prudent use; our security emanates from the justness of our cause, the force of our example, the tempering qualities of humility and restraint.

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Amazing how you guys miss the point; it must deliberate!
The main-stream leaders of your party will not change anything, if they get the chance.
You are anti-Bush. But even if you could eliminate him and install your own people, there would not be any significant change in the Iraq policy.
So what are you hopping to accomplish?
Dude, you really need to listen more to Howard Dean.
and answer totally off base.

The question was "what are you hopping to accomplish?"

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Amazing how you guys miss the point; it must deliberate!
The main-stream leaders of your party will not change anything, if they get the chance.
You are anti-Bush. But even if you could eliminate him and install your own people, there would not be any significant change in the Iraq policy.
So what are you hopping to accomplish?
Wrong! The new president Dem or Repub will pull us out of this fiasco and look like a genius...Blaming Shrub all the way to a second term.

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