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Mr.K, you seem to dominate this "Off Topic" section.
I love the posts you put up and I just wonder how a man who obviously has as much brain matter as yourself resort to cutting and pasting non-sense from other websites.
I'd like to offer a little advice if I may. Instead of cutting and pasting your posts try reading them and then try cross refrencing them with other sources. Maybe some facts will come about. BTW MoveOn.org and Gold Star Families for Peace are just two websites you need to avoid.
Then again there are those that lurk in this forum that have that one nuron firing on all cylinders between their ears that just keeps buying your crap. I guess as long as there is an audience right. LOL!

Keep it up. It's entertaining...
Listen chicken shit, you really should get in the fray and argue your points instead of being some whiney right wing moron who claims he has the 'facts' when he doesn't have shit. If you have something intelligent to offer to us grown ups, do so, otherwise go back outside and play.
Tsk. Tsk. Tsk. Simmer down now KV. It looks like I touch a nerve. Now before you result to name calling... because you lefties are great at that. I would first like to inform you that I am waaaayy far from Right Wing and actually closer to your side of the spectrum Believe it or not. I actually fought in the war and flew 32 sorties. I love this country and yes I do oppose the war so you righties in here that thought you had an ally guess again. Let's focus on the topic though.
Ms. Sheehan, who was already approached by the president in Washington, with other grieving parents and when interviewed shortly after that brief meeting and was asked how was the president's reaction the loss of your son and her reply was that the president "expressed his deepest sympathies and that she was very moved by the whole ordeal". Why the sudden change in tune? Let me tell you why. You have your friends in the far left playing this poor lady to the tune of RUN DMC and the poor lady is now a left wing puppet and wants blood from this president all of a sudden. She goes on this 15min. of fame tour and is now hitting media circuits all around the country. She is asking for a complete withdrawal from Iraq or else... umm. Or else what? Yeah that is smart. Like the commander in chief will actually give her 3min. to listen to what she has already repeatedly said a million times on national T.V. Yet! and Yet you left wingers are buying into it like she is the most neglected woman in the country because the presiden will not go on a bike ride with her.
I can go on and on but I've already again wasted my 5min. with you guys. no matter what i say or how the facts lay out the problem with some of you is you have already made up your mind. Facts are being brought up all the time that even though this administration has made some very awful moves in the approach to this war on terrorism the result of this dates far back before 2001. People like you KV will continue to ignore that and will go on believing what you want to believe and try to feed all that to your congregation of listeners. Like I said as long as there is an audience your post will keep coming. Take a close look at your audience because as you criticize these wacko AM radio righties and their wacko views you are no further from where they are at.
Touche Mr. KV, have fun with your posts and no I will not swap spit you on this topic or any other topic because as much as I am entertained by it I just have better things to do with my time. look at that 5min is up... Ta Ta!
Man, is that odd or what - Mr. Left Winger here repeats the now-debunked story, first concocted on the Drudgereport and then dessiminated to the Right Wing Swift Boat Machine, that Ms. Sheehan met with the president and came out all golden and glowy, and talked how much she wanted to suck his cock after the meeting. Right wing talk show hosts, Fox News fascists and anyone else that is part of the Swift Boat Machine have been repeating it under the radar even tho the dreaded MSM has been reporting the story was false for weeks now. Now my new Democrat buddy here tries to blow the same smoke up my ass.

Wackos? Read the polls, genius. Bush has tanked, so now they are going to pull out all the stops and smear everyone like the dying sharks that they are. Those people you see around Sheehan are called "America".


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Yeah, too bad we don't have any mothers of Nazi soldiers around to ask how it felt to die for some meglomaniac's illegal invasion. Perhaps they could shed some light on it. Or maybe we can ask Dick Cheney to explain how he was killed by the Shiites, people who had nothing to do with 9-11 and were not even Baathists, to boot. Perhaps they can explain how being killed by some goat farmer is "dying in the fight on terrorism". After that, they can begin explaining how the 2,000 or more who are supposedly dying for "democracy" are going to feel about the emerging Islamic Republic of Iraq. Do you think they are going to feel "dishonored" by the fact women in Iraq will be slaves? That the courts, no matter what one's religion is, will be run by the local Muslim mullahs and not the government? At least Casey Sheehan's death will be worth something - exposing this criminal, illegal, war and the pig fucks who started it for what it is - the greatest moral disaster in American history.
HAHAHAA! What I would pay to find out what feeds your mind? You should write a book... Amazing!
Feel free to offer some type of factual rebuttal. Everything in that post is true.

Recall that earlier generations faced down fascism and communism not just with missiles and tanks, but with sturdy alliances and enduring convictions. They understood that our power alone cannot protect us, nor does it entitle us to do as we please. Instead, they knew that our power grows through its prudent use; our security emanates from the justness of our cause, the force of our example, the tempering qualities of humility and restraint.

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Yeah, too bad we don't have any mothers of Nazi soldiers around to ask how it felt to die for some meglomaniac's illegal invasion. Perhaps they could shed some light on it. Or maybe we can ask Dick Cheney to explain how he was killed by the Shiites, people who had nothing to do with 9-11 and were not even Baathists, to boot. Perhaps they can explain how being killed by some goat farmer is "dying in the fight on terrorism". After that, they can begin explaining how the 2,000 or more who are supposedly dying for "democracy" are going to feel about the emerging Islamic Republic of Iraq. Do you think they are going to feel "dishonored" by the fact women in Iraq will be slaves? That the courts, no matter what one's religion is, will be run by the local Muslim mullahs and not the government? At least Casey Sheehan's death will be worth something - exposing this criminal, illegal, war and the pig fucks who started it for what it is - the greatest moral disaster in American history.
HAHAHAA! What I would pay to find out what feeds your mind? You should write a book... Amazing!
Feel free to offer some type of factual rebuttal. ]Everything in that post is true.
1.How do you know Shiites killed Casey?
2.Are all the people killing Americans goat farmers, how do you know?
3.Where do you get the 2,000 number who have died (Americans)?
4.Where in the new Constitution does it procure women as slaves?
5.Greater moral disaster than the Depression years?

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Yeah, too bad we don't have any mothers of Nazi soldiers around to ask how it felt to die for some meglomaniac's illegal invasion. Perhaps they could shed some light on it. Or maybe we can ask Dick Cheney to explain how he was killed by the Shiites, people who had nothing to do with 9-11 and were not even Baathists, to boot. Perhaps they can explain how being killed by some goat farmer is "dying in the fight on terrorism". After that, they can begin explaining how the 2,000 or more who are supposedly dying for "democracy" are going to feel about the emerging Islamic Republic of Iraq. Do you think they are going to feel "dishonored" by the fact women in Iraq will be slaves? That the courts, no matter what one's religion is, will be run by the local Muslim mullahs and not the government? At least Casey Sheehan's death will be worth something - exposing this criminal, illegal, war and the pig fucks who started it for what it is - the greatest moral disaster in American history.
HAHAHAA! What I would pay to find out what feeds your mind? You should write a book... Amazing!
Feel free to offer some type of factual rebuttal. Everything in that post is true.
Yo KV, since you love to cut and paste let me just give you one sample that sometimes what you cut and paste from these websites just might be a "version of the truth" and not the "truth". Ya know? I mean just maybe and this is why i asked that you might want to cross reference your "facts" before posting them. Surely a man with such web browsing skills as yourself can do this. Then again not everything on the web is true.

so KV cuts and pastes:
RE: What a bunch of tough guys: American Right Wing beats up on grieving war mother

Do you think any of these geniuses could just figure out that maybe Ms. Sheehan is just exercising her right of free speech and protest, a right she has earned more than any of these piss ant chicken shits:

Bill O'Reilly, Fox News host: On the August 9 edition of Fox News' The O'Reilly Factor, O'Reilly claimed that Sheehan "has thrown in with the most radical elements in this country" and "other American families who have lost sons and daughters in Iraq ... feel that this kind of behavior borders on treasonous."

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Both the New york Times and San Francisco Chronicle had to retract their stories on that one quote because they completely missed it by a mile. Yet you post it (cut and paste) as "facts". I can dissect every little cuts and pastes you make KV but then again we will both be just wasting our time.
As you continue to read from your websites KV and claim them as facts. My sources come directly from Iraq and the Pentagon where my close friends there continue to give me the live feed. As you browse your web pages, watch your TV's, read your newspapers and listen to your AM radios just remember that any information you might gather are all subject to this political rhetoric that is fueling both the left and right.
Name calling and cutting and pasting seems to be an art and you have mastered it.
Those of you that spend your countless minutes reading Mr. KV's posts every day I just hope you are all entertained as much as I am. Just don't buy everything this man says he can fluff up his posts really well but we are definitely dealing with some anger issues here and anger Mr. KV can cloud the mind and rememeber what Yoda said, "hatred can only lead you to the dark side..."
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Will rejoin this discussion tomorrow. BuhBye!
Whenever you are in SoCal KV email me we'll have lunch talk cars and share our disagreements. On me!
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Dude, you really need to read more:

http://mediamatters.org/items/200508110002


One day after smearing protester Cindy Sheehan, O'Reilly claimed he and Malkin were "respectful" to her


On the August 10 edition of Fox News' The O'Reilly Factor, host Bill O'Reilly responded to a viewer e-mail, which accused him and right-wing pundit Michelle Malkin of "savaging" Iraq war protester Cindy Sheehan, by claiming that the viewer was distorting the show's coverage. O'Reilly maintained, "Both Michelle and I were respectful to Mrs. Sheehan, sir." But on the previous day's O'Reilly Factor, O'Reilly falsely claimed that Sheehan's "story has been inconsistent" and suggested that she hates the government and the United States. Malkin also falsely claimed Sheehan's "story hasn't checked out," and said Sheehan should be scorned for the views she and O'Reilly falsely imputed to her. And on her weblog, Malkin sought to discredit Sheehan by suggesting that her son who was killed in the Iraq war would not approve of her protest.

From the August 10 edition of The O'Reilly Factor:

O'REILLY: Heather O'Neill, New York City: "I see the right-wing smear tactics have begun against Cindy Sheehan."

Well, I don't know where you're seeing that. Not here, Ms. O'Neill. We've reported the story accurately and fairly.

[...]

Al Nagengast, Payson, Arizona: "O'Reilly, the savaging of Mrs. Sheehan by you and Michelle Malkin is a new low for The Factor."

Both Michelle and I were respectful to Mrs. Sheehan, sir. You are distorting and perhaps lying about the segment.

O'Reilly has treated this story neither accurately nor fairly. As Media Matters for America documented, he repeated the false claim that Sheehan, a critic of President Bush and the Iraq war, has changed what she has said about Bush and the war since meeting with him in June 2004.

As for O'Reilly's claim that he and Malkin were "respectful" to Sheehan, the transcript of the August 9 edition of The O'Reilly Factor shows otherwise:

O'REILLY: Well, I have to say that she obviously does because she's the lead story on Michael Moore's Web site on an almost daily basis. And she knows -- I mean, Michael Moore isn't a subtle guy. Everybody knows where he stands.

So I mean, I think Mrs. Sheehan bears some responsibility for this and also for the responsibility of other American families who have lost sons and daughters in Iraq, who feel that this kind of behavior borders on treasonous.

You know, you got to think about those people as well. What about their feelings?

[...]

O'REILLY: She has thrown in -- there is no question that she has thrown in with the most radical elements in this country. That is -- now, it happened before. Some of the 9-11 families also took this road, you'll remember, and are still active to this day. There's a big controversy about the 9-11 Museum down at the World Trade Center.

And, you know, there are some people who hate this government, hate their country right now, and blaming Bush for all the terrorism and all the horror in the world.

Here's a question, Michelle. Do they have a right to this opinion without being scorned?

MALKIN: No, without being scorned, no. And I wouldn't call it scorned. I would call it scrutiny. And the mainstream media is not doing it. I mean, the New York Times editorial board is all too eager to prop her up as some sort of martyr and to buy her line when clearly her story hasn't checked out.

O'REILLY: Yes, her story hasn't [sic] changed.

MALKIN: And so I think -- and I think that angle you're emphasizing is absolutely right here, which is the mainstream media just lapping this up and perpetuating myths and inaccuracies when they know it's not the truth.

O'REILLY: Yes. They don't identify -- in the New York Times editorial today, it was obvious they did not say her story has been inconsistent. And they did not pinpoint that she is in bed with the radical left.

Malkin also found another way to smear Sheehan. In an August 8 entry on her weblog, Malkin purported to divine what Sheehan's son Casey, an Army specialist who was killed in Iraq in 2004, would think of his mother's actions: "I can't imagine Army Spc. Casey Sheehan would stand for his mother's crazy accusations that he was murdered by his commander-in-chief, rather than the Iraqi terrorists who ambushed his convoy."

— S.S.M.

Posted to the web on Thursday August 11, 2005 at 2:46 PM EST


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Yeah, too bad we don't have any mothers of Nazi soldiers around to ask how it felt to die for some meglomaniac's illegal invasion. Perhaps they could shed some light on it. Or maybe we can ask Dick Cheney to explain how he was killed by the Shiites, people who had nothing to do with 9-11 and were not even Baathists, to boot. Perhaps they can explain how being killed by some goat farmer is "dying in the fight on terrorism". After that, they can begin explaining how the 2,000 or more who are supposedly dying for "democracy" are going to feel about the emerging Islamic Republic of Iraq. Do you think they are going to feel "dishonored" by the fact women in Iraq will be slaves? That the courts, no matter what one's religion is, will be run by the local Muslim mullahs and not the government? At least Casey Sheehan's death will be worth something - exposing this criminal, illegal, war and the pig fucks who started it for what it is - the greatest moral disaster in American history.
HAHAHAA! What I would pay to find out what feeds your mind? You should write a book... Amazing!
Feel free to offer some type of factual rebuttal. ]Everything in that post is true.
1.How do you know Shiites killed Casey?
2.Are all the people killing Americans goat farmers, how do you know?
3.Where do you get the 2,000 number who have died (Americans)?
4.Where in the new Constitution does it procure women as slaves?
5.Greater moral disaster than the Depression years?
Oh, sorry. D- for reading comprehension. You did manage to repeat the text, but the punctuation was wrong -- a rebuttal would involve statements and sources, not questions marks.

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old300d,
If you heard what he said, you know that you are misrepresenting it, for political purposes. He bathed everything he said with sympathy for her loss. The "forged documents" quote is simply an allusion to the way the liberal press is running with this non story.
Its a misrepresentation and you are smart enough to know it.
You can't win hearts and minds with misrepresentations,
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Mother deserves meeting, and apology, from Bush
C'mon George Bush, meet with Cindy Sheehan.
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As president and commander in chief, you should find some time during your month-long "working vacation" in Crawford, Texas, to look this mother in the eye and say why you sent her son into harm's way in Iraq.

I know it's got to be harder for you to talk one-on-one with a loved one of the servicemen and women who have been killed in Iraq than it is to meet with a group of grieving relatives. Still, you ought to extend such a small courtesy to Sheehan, whose son gave what Abraham Lincoln called "the last full measure of devotion" to his country.

If you can't figure out what to say to ease the pain that's wracked Sheehan since her 24-year-old son, Casey, was killed in Iraq last year, I can help you muster up some words.

Begin by apologizing to her for misleading our nation into believing that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction. Getting rid of those phantom weapons was the excuse you used to launch the pre-emptive war in Iraq.

Admit error

Sure, I understand that intelligence failures have been blamed for what you said in your 2003 State of the Union address about Saddam possessing "the materials to produce as much as 500 tons of sarin, mustard and VX nerve agent." But as Harry Truman said in his farewell address, "The buck stops here." You misled us, and you should just flat out admit it.

Mr. President, you should gently caress Sheehan's hands and assure her that her son didn't die in Iraq because you wanted to settle an old score. Tell her the reference you made to Saddam as "the guy who tried to kill my dad" during a 2002 speech, in which you laid out the case for war with Iraq, was a meaningless coincidence.

And tell Sheehan that when you said "bring them on" the following year, as resistance to the American occupation of Iraq began to stiffen, that you didn't mean to taunt insurgents from the safety of the White House while U.S. forces in that country were left to deal with their deadly response.

Just be honest and say you lost it for a moment. I think Sheehan will understand, given the emotional roller coaster she has been on since getting word that her son was killed five days after arriving in Iraq.

Express sorrow

If at some point Sheehan gives you a sympathetic look, use this opening to say how sorry you are that more than 90% of the nearly 1,900 U.S. servicemen and women who have been killed in Iraq died after you triumphantly proclaimed an end to "major combat operations" in that nation.

Of course, all of this compassionate talk would be meant to convince Sheehan that her son didn't die in vain. Once you get through this part of your conversation, Mr. President, you can address the larger issue she raises about pulling U.S. forces out of Iraq.

Here's where you need to tread lightly. Sheehan can be expected to press you for an exit strategy and timetable for withdrawal.

Given your often, publicly stated refusal to do this, I suggest you tell Sheehan you didn't mean it when you said during the final 2000 presidential debate that U.S. forces should be deployed abroad only when the mission is "clear," the force is "strong enough so that the mission can be accomplished" and the exit strategy is "well-defined."

Tell Sheehan that was election-year bluster. Tell her that verbal swagger was a hyperbolic appeal to your right-wing base. Say that if many conservatives can give you a pass on your failure to stick to that promise, as the polls suggest they have, that she should be as understanding.

I know it's asking a lot of a tough guy like you to show Sheehan your soft side. Even so, this woman — and the nation — is hurting. Now is the time for you to be presidential.

But if you can't bring yourself to do this, meeting Cindy Sheehan probably isn't such a good idea.


Recall that earlier generations faced down fascism and communism not just with missiles and tanks, but with sturdy alliances and enduring convictions. They understood that our power alone cannot protect us, nor does it entitle us to do as we please. Instead, they knew that our power grows through its prudent use; our security emanates from the justness of our cause, the force of our example, the tempering qualities of humility and restraint.

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