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Was it really democracy that formed the backbone of your support for the war? I don't recall that said democracy was on the agenda prior to our invasion as much as WMD and 9/11 culpability, am I wrong on this?
No it wasn't democracy. Nor was it 911 nor was it WMD. I understand the arguments in each of those cases but none of those alone are sufficient for me to support deposing Saddam. If they had asked me how do do it I would have suggested clandestine and covert ops, not invasion. They didn't ask.

Be that as it may, we are where we are.

For me, the best outcome at this point in time is as I described.

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maybe as soon as he's finished discrediting me, be patient
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so that's it, you give up? You no longer seek to convert me, show me the truth, the only way? Have I weakened your will with my dumb silliness?
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No it wasn't democracy. Nor was it 911 nor was it WMD. I understand the arguments in each of those cases but none of those alone are sufficient for me to support deposing Saddam. If they had asked me how do do it I would have suggested clandestine and covert ops, not invasion. They didn't ask.

Be that as it may, we are where we are.

For me, the best outcome at this point in time is as I described.

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Bot, help me out...I'm trying to figure out which of us has the moral high ground in this area. I started out as an ardent supporter of the Iraq war...that said, I'm now perfectly willing to throw BushCo under the bus, knowing what I know now. I'm very bitter having been lied to. Acknowledging this doesn't mean I was wrong before - especially since I didn't have access to even 1% of the information available to congress, who REALLY blew it.

Your reluctance to acknowledge the complete fiasco that led us to this war is somewhat surprising, and I'm wondering why that is. Without a doubt, there's no changing it now - that doesn't mean there aren't lessons every American can learn, and apply to the way they look at current events, politics, and most importantly, how they evaluate candidates and vote.

Your opinions in this regard are valuable to me, only in that I make a hobby out of studying humanity - not for some other nefarious purposes.
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Your reluctance to acknowledge the complete fiasco that led us to this war is somewhat surprising, and I'm wondering why that is. Without a doubt, there's no changing it now - that doesn't mean there aren't lessons every American can learn, and apply to the way they look at current events, politics, and most importantly, how they evaluate candidates and vote.

Your opinions in this regard are valuable to me, only in that I make a hobby out of studying humanity - not for some other nefarious purposes.
If it were a complete fiasco we would be in complete retreat. We are not. It now appears that we are winning.

But now I must add that it is not support of any particular politician that I advance. Fuck a bunch of politicians.

Nor is the particular strategy chosen by the army & CinC the one I would have chosen.

Nor were the reasons they offered sufficient FOR ME, though apparently they were sufficient for the majority.

Elsewhere I has presented my argument in support of deposing Saddam. Please tell me you have read that, even if you don't agree with it, so I wont have to write it again.

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so that's it, you give up? You no longer seek to convert me, show me the truth, the only way? Have I weakened your will with my dumb silliness?
I have never sought to "convert" you. I'll leave conversion to religious zealots.

You are what you are.

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I have never sought to "convert" you. I'll leave conversion to religious zealots.

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I believe I was right in my support of going to war in Iraq. I am hopeful that the coalition will be successful in helping Iraq set-up a viable form of democracy. The more Middle East Nations that join Israel, Kuwait, Lebanon, Qatar, Bahrain, and Jordan on the march to democracy, the better it will be for the world.

Is that clear enough for you?

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You were! It is!!

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Please don't get into THAT...

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so that's it, you give up? You no longer seek to convert me, show me the truth, the only way? Have I weakened your will with my dumb silliness?
"...give up?"

He won!!

Where you been??

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